CCCamp 2019 Mumble 20190630
Minutes for the kickoff meeting
- Begin: 20190630 1400 CEST
Mumble
Begin: 20190630 1400 CEST
TOPs:
Groups
Anything urgent?
gitea is running (tickets)
mc.fly is not happy with the ticket system. I'd like to have a more generic ticket system that is intended for tickets and not something that also makes tickets.
rocket miliways/camp orga
wood on camp
money / donations for milliways on camp 2019 - how?
mc.fly has a new job starting seprtember. as a consequence mc.fly will not have money to throw at milliways at all.
as we don't have an organisation we need creative ways of collecting money and money commitments.
postcards to jail
kitchen
buildup
wiki cleanup/missing stuff?
communication / further meetings
present:
valka s3krit mcfly mwfc macker betz fellmoon snoopy Karl betz crypt
minutes:
I'm just an observer/guest bc my laptop is screwed up, so no speaking from me
Cluster:
wiki https://signup.c3assemblies.de/assembly/c92c3d04-38b5-4a29-b954-e14cdb3a8ee0/edit
EMF is part of the milliways Cluster
Milliways
Toorcamp
(freeside, sigsegv,
Belgiums
Hardwarehacking
Fri3d camp village
no confirmation of the place, but looks like it is final. "do not worry"
wiki cleanup
we are starting to structure the wiki
Water planning needs to be on the wiki
any wishes/suggestions?
deadlines(!) ordering, what to order,
buildup needs expansion (WiP)
Wood for buildup
CCC orga needs to get wood,
mcfly has contact and ccc orga is looking into it
transportation should be kept in mind
issue: we need wood as long as possible
option to build house for kitchen -> needs masses of wood
c3loc will provide wood, we can get wood from sawmill nearby too
oberfräse is missing, router -> mcfly will most likely bring one
budget
Money
price for coins?
awgh and macker almost broke even last year for toorcamp
coins need to be about 60\
while sticking to our roots; worked for us
so macker went through 140 coins for toorcamp
but bought 125
and toorcamp is 500 people
How many coinds do you generally sell at camp?
3 coin designs, has been shared on GPN, extra cost 120 euro
how many coins to order
many want all three cons
suggestion 1x 25, milliways for 50, 60 euro for all 3 coins
150-200 coins per color -> 600 coins
we currently dont have much money, mc.fly has paid a lot of our bills
We will have money day1 evening, but need to pay more in advance
making T-Shirts? not being a entity is an issue
we need volunteers to order stuff and not get issues
macker work with our coin guy, might be able to front it
Eric Perez| Challenge Coins PLUS
5840 Red Bug Lake Road, Suite 35
Winter Springs, Florida 32708
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Order wishlist is one option, Starting an entity is another
dutch stitching would be an option, but paperwork
Wishlist on the wiki, amazon
kickstarter is an issue
low level of fuckups is desired (receipts, filing taxes, paperwork)
crypt is looking into UK situations
mc.fly checked stitching (nl)
600 coins -> 1300 euros +- 100
timing? -> 2-4 weeks, 6 weeks desired -> mcfly is on it
Biggest cost factor: food 25000
beer around 4k
Handling cash on site is an issue (proper bills)
Ideas?
handling food -> vokue? what is their issue, proper paperwork
Time is running out for camp, clubs can be nearly instant, stichting around 2d setup time
How much money do we need to raise 4-6k asap would be nice.
trying to avoid advancing it by few people (spread risk)
So do we even have ac oin design yet? - macker
I set upa milliiways bank account (where? SEPA?) - umpqua BANK
still in works though
unfortunately its still going thorugh the system as a 501(c)3 non-profit
wont be ready in time
and its under teh name 'milliways international'
costing me afortune but fk it
well it was made/in process for our american branch
but we dont really have borders anymore (USA bank accounts cost a shitload for EU people to wire too, in EU it is basicly free)
yeah well it works the same here, my tix had an extra 50 bucks just saying
Lucky highly recommends setting up accounts in the U.S. and EU using TransferWise. Lucky is a super satisfied customer. Could not be happier.
https://www.transferwise.com
This is the perfect solution for people in the U.S. paying in USD via intra-US bank ACH, but the money ending up in your EU bank account in EUR via IBAN. Or the other way around.
They offer dirt cheap transfers (typically under EUR 1 in-region). And offer stunningly good foreign exchange rates. Far better than any bank, who totally rip off their customers on the currency conversion rate.
They also offer the same for Australia, if you have a need for that.
(having both might be ideal)
Org needs to be EU, ideally schengen
we have a cardmachine to convert CC to cash for trusted people
can you just take square off an old iphone?
original plan was to putting off an org as long as possible, and we do have our own event, but we are very close now in size
valka would step up to handle money (thanks)
communicate a fixed point where you can donate (valka is infodesk)
I have business accounts all over as well
would rather not handle money but if something needs to be put somewhere for logistics, we have accounts
leave as little papertrail as possible. do a final accounting directly after camp/on camp
pay to who?
people or orgs
We divy it out to the makers
Just need to know if I should buy coins
and if we have adesign yet for that matter
option one: Legal org:
german club:
mwfc looks into german club situation, next week money - snoopy startet to look into this, connecting those 2 after mumble.
british club:crypt, mc.fly, mwfc look into legal situation for entity (UK)
dutch foundation: crypt, mc.fly, mwfc look into legal situation for entity (UK, NL, DE)
option two: no legal org, we do it as in the past:
members advance money (via CCs) and get money back
^^ agreed upon as summary
"got a stack of tehm ~ valka" lol
we have a quorum
postcards to jail
limited work, mc.fly asked designers, supply us with postcards, people who do stickers, we will include julian assange, even if unpopular, working on address for snowden, call for inmates we forgot please note to mc.fly, persons doing it (name) second person is panda
pinguino has been asked for design
beetlebum (german) has been asked as way
"official postcards" we will have
two more designers have been asked
it is rather cheap (postcards)
there will be ccc stamps \o/
milliways stamps will come (totally legit german postage ones)
Not much to organize there, place on camp, organizing (on site) it, printing it
WAIT!
Should I bring my milliways stamp I had made? (only (legit) german stamps help us)
Buildup
best day to be there, and not go again
16th evening action will start on site many people offered help
we probably have enough people showing up there
EMF folks will arrive 20th
valka, s3krit
coderobe, fellmoon offered to bring tools
mcfly offered some tools too -> coordination
Belgian embassy has tools too
-> wiki buildup page to coordinate
(TODO insert tools here)
Miketango has a lot of stuff -> transportation is an issue
9th dump of stuff will happen
(timeline in wiki)
collection of Arrival dates might be nice
tudle at tu-dresden or mafia hamburg for arrival
stuff for power distribution -> at miketango place -> planning -> konvektomat -> whether it can be converted to camping gas from
Teardown
Kitchen
Have them plan autonmous Nina is here currently
will provide food day 0 - +1 morning
spontanous food
Recipe collection in wiki, help us fill it! (with favorites)
So even before day 0 there will be "planned food"
Coffee and Tea seperate from kitchen, with real espresso machine (fellmoon is on it)
Barista will be there, who have coffee chain.
Tankmachine -> no water pressure needed
List of kitchen helpers will need to be organized
kitchen probably needs own mumbles? -> yes, they will coordinate back
Teams that want to cook?
EMF has something occassional pools
british evening
Belgians and hardware hacking ... Vegan food it needs to be coordinated
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cccamp19-foodpool
deal is: hardware hacking and belgians do the vegan stuff, we do the non vegan stuff for them
Physical Location on Camp Site
https://seafile.milliways.info/f/f67da8ac724b4578bb1c/ top right
Water is between the trees
Workshop thing will be behind us
We will have access to train tracks
Hardware hacking is in front of us
Truck (bus on the left)
Betz is organizing the fablab(?) truck
hardware hacking made map: https://eu.hostiso.cloud/index.php/s/HxDWMWxdCsT6SkX of wish
it "should" fit, needs some checking and whether we get the location
space next to it for Fried?
Fried is a small camp, orga people, will come back with numbers (fri3d.be)
(TODO mcfly explanation here)
option: s3krit and valka suggested having tents in the "allee"
Trees will be illuminated with professional stuff \o/
Will need tent shade - my tent is 4 season 14 lbs, but small
train station will be on other side, might be shitty place to tent
shadow of trees probably north of trees for sunshide day
shadow in the morning? ->to the right of us are trees
tents next to the house
Theft isnt a problem? I would assume not
also our pics had a water spigot a- prob not camp next to that
comms
regular meetings
This time and day fits some -> problems for US
mcfly is mostly busy in the evening on Sundays, would like ot be on meetings
15:00 is the latest for mcfly
Other days?
kitchen/buildup critical
sundays/saturdays every other week? + however a team plans stuff
one hour long.
Next week there will be one then biweekly until camp