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== Map ==
There is a map for the Milliways area: https://www.milliways.info/cccamp19-map/dist/ .
You can modify the map in Seafile[https://seafile.milliways.info/#group/1/lib/aab3eb44-0b8a-41ae-aaa3-ff8764b0b365/Camp2019/map].
Sugested editor is JOSM[http://josm.openstreetmap.de/],
but you can use any editor that supports OSMXML as format.
Issues report please on the git page[https://git.milliways.info/Milliways/cccamp19-map] or to [[User:Tuxcoder]]
Please add a list of thinks that need space here
* example tent (3m Ø)
* example tent2 (3x8m)
* example group (42 people)

Revision as of 15:19, 10 July 2019

wiki page for Chaos Communication Camp 2019

the Chaos Communication Camp 2019 will be August 21 - 25 2019 at the Ziegeleipark Mildenberg. Same location as CCC Camp 2015


Participant page

The above list contains the people with tickets and a need for a voucher. The old voucher wish list has moved here.



the Orga has its own page


Kitchen page


Buildup/teardown page


the secretary might evolve into a infodesk team

milliways infodesk page

power + network

Power + Network page

beer wish list

The beer wish list page. This is for people that consider donating a keg.

The price for a keg will be around 100-150eur.

HoBo Tents

on camp 2015 we had hobo tents - they worked awesome.

It would be nice if we can get some more of that type.

Example (rummerytent)


card10-badge integration

A message from future was decoded which gave information. There will have been a badge at camp which gets reverse engineered as we speak to not break the time continuum. We will have had integration at milliways with it, which is still to be reconstructed.

coderobe is looking into this


scottish embassy

tEUrCamp: The US Hacker Camp in Europe!



Icelandic Embassy?

Belgian Embassy / Hardware Hacking Area

Link to the layout of Belgian Embassy bus and its tent, with communal area and 1.5m perimeter


crazy ideas

We said we wanted to have 40 crazy ideas on the wiki to be able to pick 15 good ones.

Please add your idea, some details, who had it. Makes it easier to track this back down and ask for context.

milliways radio

milliways radio on 104.2

coderobe has a transmitter

dutch market stands

https://www.marktkraamverhuur.nl/-/marktkramen/marktkraam-4-meter-huren/ (this is an example link, ignre the price)

this is a dutch market stand that dasbrot also uses. We can rent some for little money. 3m version works in a sprinter.

Good for hackcenter / food / talking while it rains, Numbers of 4-10 are realistic

no benches

=> Get precise price for 10 of these, do it.


MikeTango has some post apoc bicycles that could be very useful on camp, a trike for cargo (or rickshaw), a postal service bike with boxes and others. Will bring if space is available.

=> If we get it onto the truck we'll do that.

high rotating milliways sign

a sign, very high, on a mast pole. to show where milliways is.

Idea: valka, mc.fly

Need more signs and a rotating motor.

  1. letsdoit

Metallic Starship

Idea: Felipe Sanches

The design of the iconic CCC rocket looks very similar to the upcoming SpaceX Starship (the payload portion of the Big "Falcon" Rocket). It would be extremely cool to build the 2019 edition of the CCC rocket in shiny silver material.

Note: OK... it is not identical! The CCC rocket is more curvy / cartoonish. But the SpaceX Starship is significantly different from the typical rocket designs in the sense that it lands on its own "tails/wings" just like we've seen in cartoons in the past (like the Tin-tin rocket!)

  1. sounds awesome but is it realistic? Till gpn we need an idea there.

black in black spaceship

a black spaceship.

milliways logo projection in batman bat signal style

Idea: FellMoon

Spotlight 1200W with "A-Gobo" available, but i'd opt for a vectoring lazer.

milliways train

As its in the brick museum again i'd love to have a train.

Background: The Ziegeleipark Mildenberg has a narrow gauge train track that was used last year. I would like to have our own milliways vehicle that can transport some few people but for sure goods from entrance to milliways.

Idea mc.fly

awtnmy - Interested in helping construction / welding - Pidgey suggested he would be too



Idea mc.fly

Price: 12 670 euro

  • con
    • vermutlich teurer
  • pro
    • vermutlich geil.

Wasteland Cyber Camp

Idea MikeTango

I'd love a Wasteland/post apoc/cyberpunk theme. Reasons: I do the wasteland stuff and have boatloads of army surplus and experience in scenebuilding in that area. With enough help i could probably build a whole compound. From my private stash:

- Tents

One Army tent 24 Person 10 by 5 meters https://adventure-world.de/WebRoot/Store3/Shops/Shop37189/525A/EED4/8D4F/00E7/C4D2/AC14/504A/0025/800033.jpg

One Army tent 6 Person 6 by 3 meters with sun roof https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4nSiGO5jsmA/T7-VHk-UYNI/AAAAAAAABLk/VuRuEDc-RfY/s912/CIMG0012.JPG

One Yurt 12 Person 8m diameter http://www.jurtenland.de/files/u1/grossjurtemitfenster_500.jpg

One yurt 6 person 4,5m diameter https://www.jurtenland.de/wiki/images/8/8f/Kohtes4559.jpg

One white tent 6 person 4,5m diameter https://www.obelink.nl/images/detailed/98/Obelink_binnentent_Sahara_450_2.jpg

- Shade

Three complete desert camouflage systems https://www.max-fuchs.de/cgi-bin/shop2/iboshop.cgi?showdsearch,361854274218984,627803,back http://www3.natick.army.mil/docs/ulcans/ULCANS%20TM-5-1080-250-12-and-P.pdf

can be combined to one screen 20 by by 17 meters hexagon, 250 m²

A few hundred square meters of rectangular woodland camo nets in various sizes

- Seating

A few bean bags, hammocks, hammock chairs

- Lighting

Currently 12 professional outdoor LED lights 12*18W LED, more inbound

Shitloads of aircraft anti collision lights and other blinken

- Sound

A PA or two

- Truss

Enough Truss to build a 3 by 6 m L-gate, 3m high

- Misc

I can also provide tons of ratchet cargo straps, tiedowns, stakes, flagpoles, wires, ropes, old parachutes etc. 20 field telephones and a central station 20 DECT phones.

- What the Hack?

On last camp we had a large area under shade (and hidden from those nasty drones) and i'd love to set up something like that again. The big tents were good for people who couldnt bring their own stuff due to budget/luggage constraints. We found that you could fit lots of small tents into the spaces between the guy lines of the large tents, so no space was wasted and it looked cool. If you're worried about it looking too military, we will have enough colourful cloth, flags, blinkenlights etc to make it look funky as hell. I'd love to have everyone bring as much crazyness into it as possible.

There's more stuff if i just ask the other crazy wasteland guys.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3x36qu8nbr2v2qp/AACySEnJFpnUpwwrERqEMXDWa?dl=0 MikeTango (talk) 20:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


  1. mc.fly
  2. fellmoon
  3. s3krit
  4. valka


connected-milliways physical structure

Idea Fellmoon

like having a (few) containers instead of tents and connect them somehow to the dome or span hammocks between and them or lift the dome up ontop of a hexagon made out of containers + having something like a terrace or a spot for other installations like watchtower2.o or lazzerz or projecting stuff on $surface

Milliways Shanty town/Favela style

Idea Fellmoon


  • shelter from rain and sun, maybe doable with solid ground or an upper level
  • easy to combine with dome and MikeTangos stuff/other ideas
  • lot's of space for graffiti, workshops etc.
  • material maybe could maybe found for little money on local a junkyard or recyclingyard


  • lots of (physical) work
  • probably lots of material to transport to the ground/take down and dispose afterwards
  • depending on the size stuff like fire-regulations could become a thing

mc.fly: we have to talk to orga but as its outside there is a chance for that, the berlin village did something like this. the limit is 25m2 from what i remember...

still lets see if we can get something together there.

disconnect all the wirelezz

Idea Fellmoon

like jamming all the frequencies and propagate that everybody needs to use wired connections

Pro: awesome lulz.

Con: lots of angry hackers. esp guests might not get the joke.

This bad taste of a "joke" goes against CCC's principle of "Be excellent to each other". Highly discouraged.

milliways moving objects

rail vehicle

bring transport back on the rails. We want to build a vehicle that can transport goods and (limited) people from milliways to the entrance. As a track system exists we'd like to use them.

We also need to go through information to find the gauge and possible storage locations.

Gauge is 500mm

Sinclair C5-S

Someone awesome aquired a Sinclair C5 shell without engine. We should pimp that out and have a cool, light and fast one person moving object on wheels.

awtnmy - have access to printer cutter for creating vinyl signs, could make milliways decals for vehicles easily. Max width / height is 330mm (ish) but can be almost any length you can buy vinyl rolls in.

C5 forum: http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php

working kitchen

Organized kitchen not in headless mode making awesome food at the right time for everyone.

milliways lightboxes

See turning sign above.

We need 2 more classical milliways signs and 4 that are one sided.

flight cases or other for transport simplification

euro containers are nice and one can get them sometimes really cheap if you we buy bulk. various heights available, I heard that the red ones (aka meat crates) are more durable than the grey ones I use - fellmoon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_container

String Art in Dome


display/project relevant info at kitchentent

Idea Fellmoon

Use projector or big display-matrix (SuperQ?) to display relevant informations like estimated food time, $number volunteers avtively needed for $task, whiskyleaks, workshops etc. on a good visible place near the kitchen e.g. the tentroof

alternative: use the charkboards we have and never use :-D

The Milliwas café - name suggestions welcome

Idea Fellmoon / Snoopy

Milliways will have a small Café-alike relaxed area, providing shade, where people can get coffee/tea/water/non-alcoholic beverages for free - donations are welcome as always.
Also possible spot where people can get coins?

People interested in doing

  • fellmoon
  • snoopy

available gear:

  • 2x 20l waterkanister (fellmoon & snoopy)
  • 4x drink dispensers a 4l
  • coffee maker from milliways
  • portafilter coffeemaker from (SuperQ)


  • 2kg hammabrooklyn coffee (fellmoon/snoopy)
  • lose black tea (fellmoon/snoopy) - quantity not decided yet
  • lose mate tea (fellmoon/snoopy) - quantity not decided yet


  • coffee grinder
  • sitting accomandation
  • table or bar > dutch marketstand?
  • mint
  • citrus fruits
  • drinking vessels?

building stuff by ourselfes?

Mail to Jail - Imprisoned Hacker Support

Idea: mc.fly / fem

sadly many among community have been in the predicament when they needed legal advice and some did indeed ended up in the mass system of control some call prison system. "mail to jail" is a solidarity and support network that ran for years by various fractions of "teh intervewbz".

at camp we will crate original art postcards/stickers with support of creative team, print and ship all out by the end of camp. any ideas are welcome re what else could be done, just note there are restrictions to mail that varies from prison to prison.

- it would also be nice if perhaps some books would be sent-out that are on bookmail list, for example for Jeremy Hammond
- adding QR codes to design for individual support networks? (perhaps for stickers as "gov" may be upset re codes on postcards).

All Cats Are Beautiful


  • Panda
  • AnonymousVideo


  • FreeAnons


Milliways PCB art batch

PCB with Milliways design in copper and solder mask plus some LEDs to light it up. Maybe as soldering challenge.

Example circuit https://hackaday.io/project/25265-an-unfortunate-smd-project#menu-description

Example PCB art https://trmm.net/PCB_art

field day 10 nov 2018

There is a field day at 10 Nov 2018 at the location. It would be useful if many people go.

people going:

  1. mc.fly

GPN last weekend of may

There will be a couple of folks at GPN for discussions. Several deadlines are set to GPN

People going:

  1. mwfc (Saturday/Sunday)
  2. valka
  3. s3krit
  4. mc.fly
  5. cookingroffa
  6. ryd (?)
  7. miketango
  8. superQ (?)
  9. tuxcoder

Brain dump from GPN 31/05/2019 from s3krit

dutch market things -> benches can come from brewing company Dome would be a more public/central space (that can be used by satellite camps)

  1. 6x12 tent
  2. 4x8 kitchen
  3. 3x6 bakery

We need to order wood, and there is a deadline for CCC for this, which we need to find out

Helpdesk need a 3x3 bar/cool looking area <- also needs an information radiator (could just be a blackboard) for telling people vital information when walking past.

MikeTango has lots of 246x122x12mm plywood/boards with rust paint (I think) - These can be used to build the tower(s)

Logistics seem like the main sticking point - MikeTango's stuff is on the other side of Germany, Essen is the location of the Milliways storage. Getting this stuff from where it is to Camp feels like the largest thing to solve. "Eurocrates are awesome" - someone

Look on Ebay for circular rotating >1m lichtbox

"Black on black spaceship 3x3m pad illuminated vlack matte black 2.0/3.0 flat windows 2x2m 20 black cheap" ^ Need builders for this, possibly from the Rotterdam hackerspace. Light landing pads, etc would need UV paint (MikeTango knows the stuff to get).

Lasercut milliways stencil in metal to fit a-gobo light

Train (???) - one of the most useful things for this would be getting stuff from the Camp entrance to our village

Sinclair C5 without motors - maybe speak to moving object people about turning this into something useful/cool.

CCC Shuttle from berlin likely starts 2 or so days from the start of camp.

field day 08 june 2019

There is a field day at 08 june 2019 : 1300 at the location. It would be useful if many people go.

people going:


There is a map for the Milliways area: https://www.milliways.info/cccamp19-map/dist/ .

You can modify the map in Seafile[1]. Sugested editor is JOSM[2], but you can use any editor that supports OSMXML as format.

Issues report please on the git page[3] or to User:Tuxcoder

Please add a list of thinks that need space here

  • example tent (3m Ø)
  • example tent2 (3x8m)
  • example group (42 people)