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Camp2023-scottish

2023-06-07T11:09:13Z

Nicko:

The Scottish Consulate will be planning for CCCamp 2023 [https://scottishconsulate.org/ccc2023/overview here].

Camp2023-scottish

2023-06-07T11:07:17Z

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The Scottish Consulate will be planning for CCCamp 2023 here.

CCCamp 2023

2023-06-07T11:06:17Z

Nicko:

wiki page for Chaos Communication Camp 2023

the Chaos Communication Camp 2023 will be '''August 15 - 19 2023''' at the '''Ziegeleipark Mildenberg'''. Same location as CCC Camp 2015 and 2019

== recent news ==

* will be at the Ziegeleipark Mildenberg again.
* tickets presale starting soon: https://events.ccc.de/2023/05/29/camp23-presale/ Some brief info on our [[CCCamp2023-presales|Ticket sales page]]
* next meeting: '''Tuesday Jun 6 at 20:00 CET''' at https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways
* There exists a big info page with all camp related information from the camp people here: https://events.ccc.de/camp/2023/infos/index.html

== communication ==

Communication for the milliways cluster at the Chaos Communication Camp 2023 will be on a room that is bridged between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

* '''IRC''': join #milliways-camp23 at irc.hackint.org
* '''Matrix''': join #camp23:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/!iPRTmLJGAARJMIXxiX:milliways.info?via=milliways.info&via=matrix.org&via=fairydust.space)

== coin ==

there will be one. details unclear yet.
Coin Order [[User:Cobolt]] [[User:mc.fly]]

== subvillages ==

=== [[camp2023-freeside|freeside]] ===

* Has traveled with milliways in the past. Will continue to do so in the future. #freeside on hackint.

* Main Contact: willscott
* Fallback Contact: coderobe

=== [[camp2023-scottish|scottish consulate]] ===

Has traveled with milliways in the past. tj confirmed that they want to travel with us again.

* Main Contact: [tj]
* Fallback Contact: hibby

=== [[camp2023-emfcamp|emfcamp]] ===

We're in.

* Main Contact: russs
* Fallback Contact: jonty

=== [[camp2023-teurcamp|tEUrCamp - The US Hacker Camp in Europe!]] ===

tEUrCamp is back with the Ada's Cafe, programmable sign, and other fun stuff from 'merica. More info at [https://teurcamp.toorcon.net https://teurcamp.toorcon.net].

* Main Contact: [[User:Salt]]
* Fallback Contact: h1kari

=== [[camp2023-sigsegv|sigsegv]] ===

Has traveled with milliways in the past. Scandinavians. :-)

* Main Contact: Foxboron
* Fallback Contact: andy`

=== [[camp2023-HardwareHacking|Hardware Hacking Village]] / [[camp2023-BeglianEmbassy|Belgian embassy]] ===

Requires confirmation of commitment. Has traveled with milliways in the past.

The Hardware Hacking Village takes place under the tent that attaches to the big Belgian Bus.

* Main Contact: Mitch
* Fallback Contact: Kliment
* CircuitCircle Noise Toys Soldering Workshops: Alwin

===[[camp2023-IcelandicEmbassy|Icelandic embassy]]?===

Requires confirmation of commitment. Has traveled with milliways in the past.

Please remove this line if you want to commit to joining as a subvillage

* Main Contact: YOUR_NAME_HERE
* Fallback Contact: YOUR_NAME_HERE

=== [[camp2023-spanish-village|spanish village]] ===

Has traveled with milliways in the past. Will continue to do so :)

* Main Contact: maes
* Fallback Contact: n0p

=== [[Kepler2.0 the solarlounge|Kepler2.0 the solarlounge]] ===

(name still to be finalized)

Has traveled with milliways in the past. Will continue to do so :)

* Main Contact: ava
* Fallback Contact: YOUR_NAME_HERE

=== [[camp2023-digiges|Digitale Gesellschaft]] ===

HIP-Homies :-D

* Main Contact: Tom
* Fallback Contact: e-punk

== Maps ==

* super high res map with no overlay
** https://cdn.eventphone.de/maps/ziegeleipark/
* map with scale
** https://map.events.ccc.de/camp/2023/map/#16/53.03136/13.30688

== travelers ==

<s>[[CCCamp2023-voucher-queue|Voucher page]]</s> -- There are no vouchers for CCCamp2023. Tickets will be sold in three batches. [[CCCamp2023-presales|Ticket sales page]]

[[CCCamp2023-participants|Participant page]]

[[CCCamp_2023-hackers-on-a-plane|Hackers on a plane]] (DEFCON -> CCCAMP)

== teams ==

=== [[CCCamp_2023-TravelManagement|Milliways Travel Management]] ===

This is the group of people mostly organizing the cluster / village on the Chaos Communication Camp 2023.

* crew
** [[User:mc.fly]]
** [[User:hanemile]]
** [[User:cy]]
** [[User:SuperQ]]
** [[User:maltman23]]
** [[User:maes]]
** [[User:iljavS]]
** [[User:firel0x]]
** [[User:kraln]]
** [[User:Ljrk]]

=== [[CCCamp_2023-kitchen|Kitchen]] ===

* about 500 meals/day
* three stage (prep backend, serving frontend, washing station)
* crew
** Main Kitchen
*** SuperQ
*** Nina
*** [[User:Will Scott]]
*** [[User:Kite]]
*** [[User:sharebrained]]
*** [[User:macker]]
*** [[User:Evilpacket]]
*** mautf,rcin

** Bakery
*** [[User:cookinggroffa]]
*** [[User:macker]]
*** [[User:sharebrained]]
*** [[User:sleepyentropy]]
*** marcin

=== [[CCCamp_2023-buildup|Buildup/Teardown]] ===

'''THE MORE PEOPLE THE BETTER: ADD YOURSELF !!!'''

* Transport (we need to get stuff from Unna (Hemmerde) to Mildenberg)
** you'll need a C license. B is only valid for 7.5t (3.5 if youre 41 or younger)
** ~5 hours by car
** [[User:Blmt]] could legally drive. Haven't driven trucks in some time though (it may take a bit longer).
** [[User:Quorth]] is driving from NL to the camp in a camper - might be able to transport some stuff if needed between NL and CCC (and back)
* Buildup crew
** [[User:Salt]]
** [[User:maltman23]]
** [[User:Firel0x]]
** [[User:Betz]]
** [[User:AVA]]
** [[User:Quorth]] + 1colleague
** [[User:Mirsal]]
** [[User:oTTer]]
* Teardown crew
** [[User:Salt]]
** [[User:hanemile]]
** [[User:sleepyentropy]]
** [[User:maltman23]]
** [[User:Firel0x]]
** [[User:Cobolt]]
** [[User:Quorth]] + 1colleague

=== [[CCCamp_2023-infodesk|Infodesk]] ===

* secretary
* social media
* heaven
* crew
** [[User:Hanemile]]
** [[User:Cy]]
** [[User:Cobolt]]
** [[User:Ljrk]]

=== [[CCCamp_2023-power-net|Power + Network]] ===

* crew
** [[User:coderobe]]
** [[User:sleepyentropy]]
** [[User:mirsal]]
** shadow

* should communicate Water, Power and Dirtwater needs to camp23 at c3assemblies.de once its possible (together with water team)
** has been done, they know we're coming :D

=== water team ===
** shadow

* should communicate Water, Power and Dirtwater needs to camp23 at c3assemblies.de once its possible (together with power/network team)

=== [[CCCamp_2023-art-of-light-decoration|art of light and decoration]] ===
* task - make milliways awesome & colorful
** setting up the decoration and the lights.

** make Art & Beauty at milliways.

kinda requirement; Be on site at least 2 days early.

Topics at the moment: Decorations, PAR, light fixtures, DMX, programming the light with DMX...

* crew
** [[User:Firel0x]]
** [[User:Armin]]
** shadow
** [[User:sleepyentropy]]
** Add yourself here :D

=== [[CCCamp_2023-content|Content]] ===

* Managing the content on the stage.
* Handling the CFP and the resulting Fahrplan
* we might want to get the manege / amphitheater thing

crew
** Main: [[User:Ilja]], [[User:Erik]], [[User:Mc.fly]]
** Backup/Interested: [[User:Hanemile]], [[User:Cy]], [[User:Cobolt]], Shadow, awtnmy JimGM0UIN, [[User:HelenLeigh]]

With milliways we'll be hosting a stage and a workshop area. If you would like to give a talk or a workshop - let us know via https://pretalx.c3voc.de/chaos-communication-camp-2023/cfp

=== [[CCCamp_2023-Hardware_Hacking_Area | Hardware Hacking Village]] ===

* Organize the Hardware Hacking Area infrastructure
* crew
** [[User:maltman23]]
** [[User:Cobolt]] I have a motorcycle loom and ECU hacking project I should be in the middle of would be cool to show this off.
*** nice, I'd love to know more, let's meet at camp sometime ~[[User:hanemile]]
** [[User:Betz]]
** [[User:HelenLeigh]]
** [[User:Overflo]]
** [[User:Cibomahto]]
** add yourself here :D

=== [[CCCamp_2023-train | Train]] ===

* Organize some kind of vehicle that can be used to transport stuff via the on-site railway infrastructure
* crew
** [[User:Maes]]
** [[User:Quorth]] +1

=== [[CCCamp_2023-music | Music]] ===

* the music itself

* crew
** [[User:coderobe]]
** [[User:sleepyentropy]]
** [[User:Maes]]

=== [[CCCamp_2023-beer | Beer]] ===

* Team beer organizes, well... beer.
* gets local beer contact from mc.fly (100dreds of different kegs)
* Should be able to have german phone-calls
* keep an eye on who sponsors what keg
* crew
** [[User:Cobolt]] happy to help figure this out
** [[User:Ljrk]] + possibly their gf
** Saluber
** Add yourselves here!

=== [[CCCamp_2023-stage | Stage]] ===

PLEASE BRING A DECT!

** [[User:Kraln]] -> main contact
** [[User:helpmerob]] possibly?
** [[User:Bugspriet]] arriving on friday
** [[User:Maes]] possibly? depends on transport

== Free Beer ==

Free software contains elements of free speech and free beer.

While the free speech part is done in the content of the camp we look for free beer.

That works that people and groups of people donate a keg of beer together.

We need the beer keg list from the beer vendor and start asking people what they want.

[[CCCamp2023-beer-list|The free beer list page]]. This is for people that consider donating a keg.

The price for a keg will be around 100-150eur.

=== beer vendor ===
[[CCCamp_2023-kitchen#Beer]]

== milliways cyber circus ==

milliways wants to run a stage.

* would like to run a stage around 200 people.
* for talks together with other villages, like HiP
* hacking / technical talks
* we have a dream, an idea, no contracts signed.
* <tl/dr> we would like to make a manege.
* https://milliways.social/@mcfly/109678808780331782
* would join a CFP, seperate content teams and a talk sharing system.
* mc.fly, Ilja, maltman23, hanemile, pandora, [[User:Ljrk]]

== infrastructure ==

=== HoBo Tents ===

on camp 2015 + 2019 we had hobo tents - they worked awesome.

It would be nice if we can get some more of that type.

Example (rummerytent)

https://www.boutiquecamping.com/tents-c1/7m-sandstone-canvas-bell-tent-quad-door-p1142

=== Bierzeltgarnituren ===

=== Power & Network ===

== Meetings ==

* Upcoming meetings
** Meeting's take place in the Milliways Jitsi: '''https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways'''
** For now, all dates are on '''Tuesdays'''
** See the [[CCCamp_2023#communication| Communications]] Section for instant-communication services

Dates

* feb - april monthly
* april - july bi-weekly
* july - camp weekly

We're still figuring out a weekday, as soon we've got it the next meeting will be on that weekday in the time period of 2022-02-13 - 2022-02-19. We'll announce it and the date and agenda will be here:

=== January Meeting (2023-01-21 20:00) ===

* General "kick off"
* https://cpad.milliways.info/pad/#/2/pad/edit/IL7mlowjQ54VCSi+Q+LA6pcs/

=== February Meeting (2023-02-21 20:00) ===

* Any essential teams missing? Should we make a larger "call for team people" or so?
* Communicate Water, Power and Dirtwater needs to camp23 at c3assemblies.de
* update channel topic to show next meeting

[[CCCamp-2023-February-Meeting-Notes]]

https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/P+JhLDxh+wEunVMxnyd259uk/

=== March Meeting (2023-03-21 20:00) ===

* setup pretalx for CfP
* update channel topic to show next meeting
* open QUestions from february meeting
** decorations team
** power / network
** update on the manege situation

https://wiki.milliways.info/index.php?title=CCCamp-2023-March-Meeting-Notes

=== April Meeting (2023-04-18 20:00) ===

https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/lMpEavAnVhOGnbpzVGZO6KO7/

=== May Meeting 1 (2023-05-09 20:00) ===

https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/dBoG9jchumgDuacArcjUF3rs/

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20230509T180000&p1=136&p2=37&p3=179&p4=137&p5=237

- update channel topic to show next meeting

TL;DR:
* insert TL;DR here

=== May Meeting 2 (2023-05-23 20:00) ===

- meeting notes: https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/2wrj7oJR6J1h-HAVzvHljhX0/

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== June Meeting 1 (2023-06-06 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

- Ticket presale (1 of 3 dates) during this meeting (21:00 CEST)
https://events.ccc.de/2023/05/29/camp23-presale/

- Need a kitchen head (SuperQ won't be able to make it D:, so we need someone else who can take care of the kitchen)

=== June Meeting 2 (2023-06-20 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== July Meeting 1 (2023-07-04 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== July Meeting 2 (2023-07-11 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== July Meeting 3 (2023-07-18 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== July Meeting 4 (2023-07-25 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== August Meeting 1 (2023-08-01 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meeting

=== August Meeting 2 (2023-08-08 20:00) ===

- update channel topic to show next meet... wait, no, the next meeting is at CAMP!

=== Daily On-Camp -2 (2023-08-12 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp -1 (2023-08-13 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 0 (2023-08-14 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 1 (2023-08-15 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 2 (2023-08-16 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 3 (2023-08-17 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 4 (2023-08-18 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 5 (2023-08-19 14:00) ===
=== Daily On-Camp 6 (2023-08-19 14:00) ===

== crazy ideas ==

=== The Milliways cyber circus - The Manege ===

* Plan A - said its complicated, does not answer anymore

<s>https://www.firmatraktor.com/de-tenten/item/opticum</s>

* Plan B - said no spiegeltents availible

<s>https://www.spiegeltent.be/mirrortent/cristal-palace</s>

=== dutch market stands ===
https://www.marktkraamverhuur.nl/-/marktkramen/marktkraam-4-meter-huren/ (this is an example link, ignre the price)

this is a dutch market stand that dasbrot also uses. We can rent some for little money. 3m version works in a sprinter.

Good for hackcenter / food / talking while it rains, Numbers of 4-10 are realistic

=== workshops ===

*space
** we probably have space, if tEURcamp brings their dome and we bring ours.

*content
** we are the "content team," in that we approve the workshops, but we can still get our workshops on the big schedule everyone can see. This has worked before.
** We've also had luck with last-minute workshops, using chalkboard and infodesk to get outside presenters to sign up.

=== Biiiicycles ===

* Cargo bike?
* Bikesharing system?
** [[User:Hanemile]]

=== high rotating milliways sign ===

a sign, very high, on a mast pole. to show where milliways is.

Idea: valka, mc.fly

Need more signs and a rotating motor.
=== black in black spaceship ===

a black spaceship.

=== milliways logo projection in batman bat signal style ===

Idea: FellMoon

Spotlight 1200W with "A-Gobo" available, but i'd opt for a vectoring lazer.

=== milliways train ===

As its in the brick museum again i'd love to have a train.

Background: The Ziegeleipark Mildenberg has a narrow gauge train track that was used last year. I would like to have our own milliways vehicle that can transport some few people but for sure goods from entrance to milliways.

Idea mc.fly

awtnmy - Interested in helping construction / welding - Pidgey suggested he would be too

=== Ada's Café ===
taken from the 2019 wiki page.

Milliways will have a small Café-alike relaxed area, providing shade, where people can get coffee/tea/water/non-alcoholic beverages for free - donations are welcome as always. 
Also possible spot where people can get coins?
* [https://events.ccc.de/camp/2019/wiki/Projects:Coffee:_Ada%27s_Cafe CCCamp Project Page]

h1kar1 and sharebrained have state on how we did espresso in 2019. It involved a rented machine and some improvised plumbing to run it from bottled water.

People maybe interested in doing 
* fellmoon?
* snoopy?
* h1kari?
* superq?
* willscott?
* [[User:Ljrk]]

=== Accept cryptocurrency ===

This was tried in a halfass way long ago at a congress, but nobody opted to pay this way. Software has changed in the decade since then.

* Bitcoin and Ethereum both have L2 networks (Lightning and zkSync) that lower transaction fees and settle in <10min. At congress in ~2018 or so, a vendor was selling coffee via bitcoin lightning to prove the value of L2. Normally fees would be high compared to the price of a coffee, and the chain would take much longer to commit than it takes to make the coffee, but L2 solves this.
* Ethereum no longer has any weather veganism issues because of proof-of-stake, and
* there are many aggressively-funded slick closed source phone apps (for better or worse).
* Also Monero, a privacy preserving cryptocurrency, with real FLOSS & cypherpunk ethos.

We could make a comforting point-of-sale system installed on a physical device that stays in Ada Cafe that can display a per-purchase QR code. This is not to sell espresso, which would still be free, but for donations.

People maybe interested in doing 
* carton
* [[User:don|trimetilo]] (Interested in exploring the feasibility of using an Ethereum L2).
* [[User:Cobolt]] (Could be willing to act as a currency converter from BTC to EUR/GBP/USD if this is required)
* **vdo** (Monero PoS)

=== Mail to Jail - Imprisoned Hacker Support ===
Idea: mc.fly / fem

sadly many among community have been in the predicament when they needed legal advice and some did indeed ended up in the mass system of control some call prison system. "mail to jail" is a solidarity and support network that ran for years by various fractions of "teh intervewbz".

at camp we will crate original art postcards/stickers with support of creative team, print and ship all out by the end of camp. any ideas are welcome re what else could be done, just note there are restrictions to mail that varies from prison to prison.
- it would also be nice if perhaps some books would be sent-out that are on bookmail list, for example for Jeremy Hammond
- adding QR codes to design for individual support networks? (perhaps for stickers as "gov" may be upset re codes on postcards).
All Cats Are Beautiful and Ada Colau Alcaldesa Barcelona

=== Hammock Forrest ===

Idea: [[User:Hanemile]]

Seen the hammock things with one center pole and a lot of side poles spanning the hammocks in a sort of star form? Well let's do this, but at another scale by adding some more.

* What we'd need:
** A lot of hammocks
** A lot of wood (to build frames)

=== Hardware Happy Hour ===

[[User: Helen Leigh]]

https://hardwarehappyhour.com

=== UV yarn ===

Like at MCH but better. Need the power/anti-rain-causing-a-short stuff from storage?

Idea: [[User:boreq]]

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Emfcamp22-participants

2022-05-11T13:25:53Z

Nicko: /* travel candidates */

== Coming to emfcamp 2022? ==

Milliways at emfcamp 2022 will happen.

Cobolt may have tickets from the discount round

Please add yourself to the travel candidates:

== travel candidates ==

YES
# emerson
# cobolt
# cobolt +1
# leshadow
# mc.fly
# carton (available either 28th or 31st, not sure yet. I have to leave on 5th.)
# Freeside cqc
# Freeside [boreq] ? (people who indicated ticketed from #freeside topic pad link:)
# Freeside [pandora] ?
# Freeside [leibert] ?
# Freeside [willscott] ?
# Freeside [s3krit] ?
# Freeside [valka] ?
# Freeside [coderobe] ?
# firel0x
# gramels
# gramels #2
# gramels kid
# gramels kid #2
# marcin +1 (possibly +2)
# marcin +1 (possibly +2)
# meg
# giles
# pidgey
# cpfr
# Midder (Scottish Consulate)
# w1bble (with a spare adult ticket)
# Nicko (Scottish Consulate)

MAYBE
# marcin +1 (possibly +2)

UNCONFIRMED YES
# awtnmy
# naomi

EMFCAMP2018

2018-08-20T12:59:58Z

Nicko:

=== emfcamp 2018 ===

== Date & Location ==
August 31 - September 2nd 2018
https://www.emfcamp.org/

== communication & information sources ==

=== wiki's & pad's ===
Pad under https://milliways.info/pad/p/emfcamp18

travelers - add yourself here
https://milliways.info/pad/p/emfcamp18-participants - update people you know here so we have numbers (important for shopping for food etc)

Tools pad
https://milliways.info/pad/p/emf-tools

and please also here in the EMF-Camp Wiki:
https://wiki.emfcamp.org/wiki/Village:Milliways

https://milliways.info/pad/p/emfcamp16 - emf 2016 pad

=== irc ===

we're on #milliways on irc.hackint.org

== TODO ==
=== WHO ARRIVES WHEN? ===
* mc.fly - day -1
* Shadow + pidgey as tag-along - Day 0/-1 (not sure yet)
* sleepyentropy + alyx - aiming to arrive ~day -1
* cobolt - day 1
* magic - day 1
* fellmoon + snoopy - Day 0

=== coin ===
* cobolt ordered them them,
* delivery to meg
* DONE
=== radio ===
* hibby and tuxcoder talk to each other and bring hardware
=== spraypinting ===
* pidgey shadow pathfinder needs to talk to each other for the wood + paint
* Bar will be painted black to begin

=== Social Media ===
* tweet about whiskyleaks and ciderleaks
* Social Media on more shoulders. If you want to help ask mc.fly

== Infrastructure to bring ==

emfcamp has been asked for space for milliways via mc.fly / crypt.

=== Dome ===
* milliways
=== Bell tent ===
* ens tent
=== Big kitchen tent ===
* 8*4m
* milliways
=== Small kitchen tent ===
* 6*3m
* milliways
=== Blue Gazebo ===
* 10*10ft
* who
=== rented Tent ===
* 6x6m
* with floor
* rented from emfcamp, should stand on arrival.

=== rented 3 tables from EMF - fellmoon ===

== Questions ==
=== When can we get on the venue? ===
We will allow people on to set up on Thursday 30th
=== when can we put a trailer on the venue? ===
Will get a firm answer for this asap / crypt
You should be able to leave the trailer on site from the weekend beforehand. Just make sure we know when its arriving, so we know we have someone on site.
Trailer is left that early at own risk, as there may not be someone on site for the whole time that week
=== when do we have to get out there? / crypt ===
If you're still on site on Monday afternoon, be prepared to be asked to do some heavy lifting :p
=== when is the tent set up? / crypt ===
Tents should be set up by Thursday at latest
=== Beer ===
mc.fly asks russs if they can deliver as plan Z
mc.fly talks to pathfinder and rich
=== what power and water do we need / get? ===
400V32A? confirmed by russs
=== do we have sufficient cable drums, extensions cords etc.? ===

=== Do we have adapters? UK has different plugs ===
but only for 230V?
leyrer can bring a CEE (16 Amp)->Schuko(Euro) plugs distributaion panel

== teams ==

=== ORGA ===
Gets stuff going before and on camp.

* pathfinder
* rich metson - awtnmy
* kekhmet
* augeas
* Cobolt
* mc.fly

=== BASE / TRANSPORT ===
we will need a team and a base from where we build the milliways up from. Several uk ppl volunteered

Transport from
* London (Ramp up space)
** shad? kekhmet?
** Shad - totally happy to store and host people, will share address closer to date with mcfly
** iamcobolt plans to rent a van and can drive from london
** SleepyEntropy likely driving via Liverpool, Edinburgh, and London, can possibly pick up any required things en route
* Rotterdam (Milliways storage)
** mc.fly will bring a trailer from Rotterdam
** this will arrive 2 weeks early

* mc.fly will bring all the milliways stuff from rotterdam 2 weeks prior the camp (storage on site?)
* sh4d has an apartment that can be used to deliver mail to, coordinate etc. London. DM for address: @systemantix
* path based 1 hour south of EMF and knows area well, has large vehicle for logistics, probably to and from trainstations for camp, logistics from Cardiff (and airport) up to Herefordshire, maybe a Birmingham airport run dependent on timings
* Post Camp Storage
* Shad depending on amount

=== KITCHEN ===
TODO: MAIN CHEF NEEDED

Volunteers:
* Shadow: I can help in the kitchen, at the bar, bring stuff from Belgium, drive around in the UK for people when i'm at the camp, bring my cans of * graffiti as well
* awtnmy / rich : around for helping cook and doing setup and tear down, and a shift or two on the bar with path.
* Kekhmet volunteers as uk but cannot be main chef. Willing to help main chef with vegetarian options planning, and can help with cooking/baking some meals.
* cobolt (pays for first shopping with his CC)
* Nina
* Malaclypse
* Shadow can help in the kitchen as well for a couple of meals but does not have enough experience for main chef
* path will do some cooking, baking but cannot volunteer as main chef
* leyrer - happy to help washing up afterwards, ....
* shroombab can help preparing a veggie meal on 1-2 days (cutting vegetables, potatoes, onions etc...)
* Nicko - happy to help prep and cooking a couple of days

Questions for kitchen
* how much kitchen do we want? Do we have volunteers to run the kitchen and organize it? (main chef wanted)
how many meals/day do we want to serve/do we want to serve multiple meals a day?
* we serve 1 meal a day + breakfast. (are there any vegetarians here?) Yes there are vegetarians. See above I have volunteered to help make sure veggie food happens (Kekhmet)thx!
* there might be specials (if someone wants to do them)
* 'Hacks and Racks' - awtnmy trying to finish welding up large offset smoker as a side project to bring. Cannot confirm yet, but hopefully can be used to do racks of ribs and other long slow cooks.
* cobolt sends a mail to the list.
* gaz vs uk: do we need one of these, or something else, to adapt burners to local butane cans? lmgtfy was very confusing. https://www.wynen-gas.de/adapters-193.htmlhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0781KZ9QS/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009JU5ONU/
* fridge / freezer TODO
* team up with bar
* awtnmy will check if we can get a rental fridge over his friend....
* THIS IS IMPORTANT TODO

=== BAR ===
* owner pathfinder
* .path will deal with all bar things except beer pump/keg, which is with other milliways camp stuff*
* some volunteers for *VERY EASY* bar service (essentially mixing pitchers/bottles of 1-2 cocktails when the current pitchers run out):
* 1) awtnmy - can definitely do one evening at
* 2) fellmoon
* 3) snoopy
* 4) Shadow (in between talks + evenings)
* 5) Pidgey (in between talks + evenings)
* tap? path does not have TODO
* Possible beer suppliers (they might be useful for advice as much as anything else):
* http://www.smallbeerwholesale.co.uk/
* http://jollygoodbeer.co.uk/
* fridge / freezer
* team up with kitchen
* awtnmy check with beer tap supplier
* Plan B for cooling trailer does not work needed (TODO)
* ClubMate - DO WE WANT? (yes, but how much?)
* transport from Rotterdam?
* 26 GBP in London
* 10 EUR in Rotterdam
* http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Pan_Galactic_Gargle_Blaster plz?
* alcohol containing beverages:
* do we need to become an official bar of the event, or does the milliways donation system circumvent the legal requirements for this?
* Alcohol sales aren't allowed except at official bars - this is a legal requirement." according to https://twitter.com/emfcamp/status/995303547536396288
* There will be no sales alowed, but you will be able to give out alcohol on a donation basis, within reason. Setups as previous camps are entirely acceptable. If you have any more questions about this, let me know.
* There will be no sales - donation or random sales of non alcohol non food items may help but essentially path's stock is a donation of goods at a loss

=== BELL TENT ===

agreeable communal space lovingly maintained by the rummery crew

=== VENDORS ===
TAP? TODO
GRG: Possible vendors:

awtnmy - to check with friend who is a GreeneKing sales rep
should be able to rent taps etc from him (may even be a favour)
will get details on delivery of beers / kegs and see if this is possible too and if so can post list / way to order
cooling trailer?
irl will send an email / find out possibilities.
Mead
(I can bring from Belgium, I need a list of people who want mead! - Shadow)
yes mead bring mead :P
Also more mead coming but not much, one bottle of local Welsh mead

Beer & Drinks, food, general supplies dealer near location
Large Tescos at Orchard Ln, Ledbury HR8 1DQ
8 Min Drive
OPENS 07:00-23:00 (10:00-16:00 ON SUNDAYS)

==== BREWERIES AROUND LEDBURY: ====
http://www.thehopshires.co.uk/index.php/brewing-in-the-hopshires/
http://www.ledburyrealales.co.uk/
http://www.smallbeerwholesale.co.uk
https://www.battledownbrewery.com/retail-sales (they seem to allow non-traders)
http://www.cellarsupplies.co.uk/ (traders only; license required)

==== Groceries ====
https://groceries.morrisons.com/webshop/category/Beers-Wines--Spirits-Beer-Ale-Keg/105651-103120-150066-161710-161718

== PROJECTS ==
the radio was fun
tj and hibby are working on shoutcast based stuff that can be used in conjunction with this to share the djing load.
currently plan to connect again to the dutch people, if that doesen't work do a hacky solution on camp side
path can bring a set up for this for small-area FM transmission (requires USB3 laptop) https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki
can bring the same radio station again (@tuxcoder)
it does "phone connector" 3.5mm to FM signal modulation
the stereo/rds part has to be done on pc (or not, then it is a mono signal)
<~10-15W last time ~1-2km range
Sign for the radio, with stars and other cool stuff *-*
hibby and tuxcoder talk
=== Giant wooden sheet for graffiti, cans also ===
> other wooden structures with an outer wall as projection/art area?
I can bring the cans I have left from 34c3 (LeShadow)
Bar will be constructed from wood BUT not all paints can be sprayed (fumes taint bar stock/garnishes) // use tar?

=== Off the Grid ===
Projector to screen / play hacker game Off Grid at bar -
*Projector needed* - no resolution specifics as game runs at multiple res
awtnmy to bring machine and peripherals but will need help sourcing projector
Might also try and do an informal workshop on modding the game / writing your own hacking 'tools' and hackable IoT devices in Lua for the game.
mc.fly has 800x600, is that enough
2nd projector?
=== Milliways Cloud (@tuxcoder)===
present the new milliways cloud system, get some feedback
how to setup talk
=== Whiskyleaks ===
mc.fly / [tj] 
Table, enought space 
SATURDAY EVENING

=== CIDRleaks ===
fellmoon / ? [kekhmet willing to help] 
Table, enought space 
FRIDAY EVENING

=== gpg key signing party ===
irl volunteers
=== LED strips (TimoB bringing) ===
new fun project with blinking lights and sound
=== visit Cheltenham? ===
minibus? carpool?
GCHQ Museum?
=== printer? ===

=== SOUND SYSTEM ===
lauri and shad are candidates to have a sound system. musalbas checks with them
Shad - speakers can head straight from ramp up space

=== Coins ===
plan there are some
design from emfcamp, approved
cobolt orders

=== MONEYS ===
coin
cobolt orders coin.
funding rented tent 6x6m with floor
iamcobolt 100GBP
mc.fly 100GBP
March 100GBP
carton 100GBP

== Tickets ==
=== Looking for ticket: ===
Ch3pa - hackerspace warshaw?
Korigan - irc, mc.fly reaches out - reached, solved?
grufwub - SleepyEntropy contacted (Interested)
u_1f410 - SleepyEntropy contacted (Interested)
colinroitt - SleepyEntropy contacted (interested)
pidgey x 2 (to be confirmed, will contact the guy)

=== Spare tickets - speaker get 2 tickets ===
musalbas
mc.fly - 2 tickets.

== etc ==
=== commit for orga (with restrictions) ===
pathfinder
rich metson - awtnmy
kekhmet
augeas
Cobolt

=== Who wants Mead ===
tuxcoder (nice)
Cobolt (I stopped drinking... and I still want)
kekhmet
augeas
Arrrrrr ... (awtnmy)
Systemantix
May
Nordin (mead you say?!)

=== cider ===
Are People interested in Cider? - there seem to be multiple local cider mills in ledbury
This is a big cider area - path supplying a few for the bar, Probably 3
Fellmoon
Fellmoon +1
Shadow
leyrer