WHY 2025

2025-07-02T08:44:22Z

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{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=52_41_28_N_4_44_47_E Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2025-06-29 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET - [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available].

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, gauging space needed at the site and feasability of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== What to bring? ===

Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist]. There is also the [https://wiki.why2025.org/What_to_bring official packing wiki page].

Tips:
* Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
* Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

=== When do I arrive? ===

Reference https://wiki.why2025.org/Timeline.

=== How do I find milliways? ===

Reference the official map https://map.why2025.org/.

=== Where do I find some other info? ===

Reference the official wiki https://wiki.why2025.org/.

== Beer ==

[[why2026-beer]]

The plan is to organize beer again. Whoever is interested in sponsoring a keg please add you to the list.

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+kSxbKmdcAq0-hcEE1JA-s0-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HKy8wBu9l+xuxA3qcqk0rzRU/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Jp3Irj6do2XbOtu13S2JriHf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/dkKFaRa8x+osIxucldEAdi+Y/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Noise (music, DJs) || <yourname> || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:cy | cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== Kitchen ===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== Bar ===

=== Infodesk ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Though most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== Team Beer ===

The team is [[User:cy|cy]], [[User:ljrk|lj-rk]] and [[User:mc.fly | mc.fly]]

We want to make the Beer tap great again.

For that we plan to orgainze german (and maybe dutch) Beers at the camp.

Further beers are welcome.
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
* Bier&co 2025 Pricelist

We'll have all the tap heads that exist to make sure we can tap everything properly.

If you want to bring a beer keg please talk to us.

=== Power ===

=== Water ===

=== Art & Beauty ===

[[File:Jungledome.png | 800px | link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclaXQWVRCg]]

Discussion takes place here https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

Here is the idea for the dome/music:
* we take the [[Dome]]
* we put the lights, music and fog machines in it
* maybe some seating on the sides
* we add camo nets and fake plants hanging from the dome
* we end up with a jungle music dome
* we need jungle dome [I'm afraid]

What we have:
* mcfly has a [https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/32787921000.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol shehds dmx controler]
* Lorphos can bring a <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr>, a dj headset and a disco ball light with DMX512.
* cqc thought about maybe making a disco ball that looks like the WHY logo
* mcfly has an [https://www.highlite.com/en/50807-net-2-3-pocket.html artnet dmx controller]

==== Questions for the meeting ====
* can we store one eurocrate of fake plants in the storage (needs to fit in the van)
* surfaces/tables for the audio gear?

====Music setup checklist====
* ☑ Sound System: Fame Audio Discovery 15+18 Stage 4 - Set
* ☑ Main mixer: X32 digital mixer with 16 XLR preamp (very kindly provided by Infinity553)
* Long XLR balanced cables to connect mixer to sound system (need to check if they’re included with the sound system)
* DJ-style headphones
* ☑ Cable protection (ramps or tape): cables can simply be attached to the dome so they won't be on the ground
* Large table for gear and mixer (ideally supports two setups, for smooth switches)
* ☑ Sun cover for daytime sets, if any are planned: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ☑ Emergency rain cover, quick to deploy: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* Power strip and enough power supplies, with extra outlets on table (separate from sound system)
* Audio backup (e.g. USB with preloaded set — chrome'll handle it)
* Separate surface for DMX/lights/FX gear
* ☑ Power supply for lights and effects: a lot of power cables and power strips will come from storage
* For the music console location: If the mixer<>system XLR cables are long enough (about 15m?), we could place the console in front of the speakers, behind the crowd. This would remove the need for monitors and improve mixing quality. We can decide on site.

====Lighting setup checklist====
* ☑ DMX lights: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ☑ DMX cables: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* DMX controller?
* artnet to dmx?

====What Infinity is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Speakers || Fame Discovery || 2 || Active Speaker Set 2x 18"Sub 2x 15"Top || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Mixer || Behringer X32 || 1 || Tour Mixer for FOH || Not Waterproof!
|-
| DJ Deck || Denon Prime 4+ || 1 || Standalone DJ Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Lightdesk || Avo Quartz || 1 || Standalone DMX Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Cable || CEE 7/4 to True1 || 2 || Powercable for Speaker Sub/Top Splitter || CEE7/4 side is IP rated Plug
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Mixer > Speaker || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Booth > FOH || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 3m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when on Pole
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 15m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when mounted else where
|-
| Cable || Ethercon Spool 50m || 1 || DMX Controller > Artnetnode || None
|-
|}
====Deco setup checklist====
* ✅ 10x 5mx6m green camo nets were ordered to Obsidian's
* ✅ 10x fake ferns + 10x 10m fake ivy + 10x violet plants + 10x purple plants were ordered to Obsidian's
* Zipties
* Boxes to store nets plants for future events

==== Sets ====

Feel free to add yourself here if you want to play music at some point.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Who !! Start
|-
| chrome || needs scheduling (Saturday Day 2 - night?)
|-
| coderobe || needs scheduling
|-
| Lorphos || needs scheduling
|-
| nspace + cyanpencil for the phrack party || phrack party, 20:00 - 22:00?
|}

=== Constructions ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Bar
* Kitchen
** Weather dependant; Flooring

It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

==== Lumber sourcing and storage ====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== Heaven ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== Logistics ===

=== Buildup ===

=== Teardown ===

== Vendors ==

* Groothandel (wholesale market) - sligro in Alkmaar
https://www.sligro.nl/vestigingen/alkmaar.html
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
* Bier&co 2025 Pricelist
* Aanhangwagenbedrijf [http://www.vandeburgwal.nl/ van de Burgwal]
** Cooling Trailer
** €435
** Need to ask about second trailer
* [https://meijnetenten.nl/ Meijne Tenten]
** 5x15 army tent
** €256
** No Delivery/Drop-off - pickup only

Bier:
* Trinkgut https://www.trinkgut.de/markt/konopatzki
* Getraenke Janssen GmbH - +4928289039991

== Subvillages ==

* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:SSH_(Spanish_Speaking_Hackers) SSH]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Cluster:GR.A.P.P.A. GR.A.P.P.A.]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Cyber_Saiyan Cyber Saiyan]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:End_Summer_Camp End Summer Camp]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Metro_Olografix Metro Olografix]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:What_Hackers_J%C3%B6rn What Hackers Jörn]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:EMF EMF]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Freeside Freeside]
* Church of Cryptography
* Hardware Hacking Area
* RIPE NCC
* SSH

==Plans==

===Friday===
====TBD====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Saturday===
====TBA====
Check back for an extra special event!

====Midnight Fries====

===Sunday===
====Whiskyleaks====
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

====Midnight Fries====

===Monday===
====TBA====
Check back soon!

====Midnight Snack====

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===Rummary Tent===
===5x15 Army tent hangout spot===

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

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