Milliways - User contributions [en]

40c3-voucher-queue

2026-01-07T09:16:23Z

Hanemile: added myself (hanemile) and a +1

==The voucher queue of [[40c3]]==

[[Category:40c3]]

'''One person per line!'''
Example; If you need 2 tickets for you and your +1, your +1 '''has''' to be on a new line.
This is so that we can use the count functionality of the Mediawiki.

Furthermore please make sure that you have a way to contact you. We '''strongly prefer''' being in matrix / irc room with the same nick you sign up here with.

Please note, this happens fast, you'll need to be able to '''respond fast e.g. within 15 minutes'''. There will be a few rounds but you won't have endless chances.

=== Has a ticket ===

Noone has a ticket yet.

Will be tracked at [[40c3-participant-list]]

=== Wants a ticket ===

# mc.fly
# hc
# 6eau
# 6eau +1
# flex
# ryd
# aoei
# kraln
# kraln + 1
# kraln + 2
# kraln + 3
# pandora
# pandora + 1
# prr_l
# sannoso
# fellmoon
# philo
# Foxboron
# mc.fly +1
# Cookingroffa
# tuxcoder
# tuxcoder +1
# nina
# malaclypse
# skrizi
# Andreas P
# Andreas P.+1
# zer0
# malaclypse +1
# malaclypse +2
# malaclypse +3
# genevieve
# genevieve +1
# genevieve +2
# murb
# Tprg
# Tprg +1
# Tprg +2
# i-ball
# i-ball +1
# szczot3k
# szczot3k +1
# sleepyentropy
# sleepyentropy +1
# boreq
# boreq +1
# katia
# katia +1
# phorcys
# phorcys +1
# Purple
# junglerot
# chewymoose (amy)
# obsidian
# oakkitten
# willscott
# cqc
# astrid
# josie
# arsenicum
# arsenicum +1
# waves
# waves +1
# tuna
# willscott +1
# cqc +1
# emma
# emma +1
# colla
# colla +1
# carrot_c4k3
# newbe3e
# carton
# carton +1
# Zornem
# Zornem +1
# Emerson
# no_maam
# openfly
# Mau
# gracc
# vivian
# vivian +1
# vivian +2
# aoei +1
# inox
# inox +1
# aoei +2
# hanemile
# hanemile +1

39c3-voucher-queue

2025-10-20T00:32:59Z

Hanemile: Added time info

==The voucher queue of [[39c3]]==

'''One person per line!'''
Example; If you need 2 tickets for you and your +1, your +1 '''has''' to be on a new line.
This is so that we can use the count functionality of the Mediawiki.

Furthermore please make sure that you have a way to contact you. We '''strongly prefer''' being in matrix / irc room with the same nick you sign up here with.

Please note, this happens fast, you'll need to be able to '''respond fast e.g. within 15 minutes'''. There will be a few rounds but you won't have endless chances.

=== Wants a ticket ===

# mc.fly
# stemnic
# junglerot
# chewymoose (Amy)
# hanemile (Currently in UTC+7, available ~04:00-20:00 Berlin Time)
# kgz
# kgz +1
# boreq
# boreq + 1
# wasamasa
# obsidian
# oakkitten
# Nyx
# blende666
# blende666 +1
# katia
# willscott
# willscott +1
# cqc
# cqc +1
# ax
# josiedotlol
# maltman23
# hhat
# hhat +1
# zornem
# haegar
# sleepyentropy
# sleepyentropy +1
# calisti
# calisti +1
# sannoso
# nina
# nina +1
# genevieve
# murb (has Engel voucher)
# vivian (contact at: @v:meowy.tech)
# greymn
# stoffel
# edk
# carton / contact: @hohgkevaikooquo:matrix.org
# carton +1
# pitastrudl
# pitastrudl +1
# tr4ck3ur
# tr4ck3ur +1
# tr4ck3ur +2
# tprg
# tprg + 1
# Korkenzieher
# ArisValeBorn
# sven
# nandequandale
# whatsinaname/marcin
# whatsinaname/marcin + 1
# valldrac
# valldrac +1
# Eri
# coderobe
# tprg + 2
# stephan48 (irc)
# Tido
# Tido +1
# tatiana
# rivercat
# rivercat +1
# inox
# gracc
# andreas (tuxcoder)
# andreas +1
# JimGM0UIN
# colla
# ryd
# kezi
# katia +1
# stoffel +1
# prrl
# I-baLL
# I-baLL +1
# blende666
# blende666 +1
# blende666 +2
# DerLaslo
# Fig
# ArisValeBorn +1 (Wordloc)
# ArisValeBorn +2 (TheQuux)
# ArisValeBorn +3 (Elamaxima)
# flex
# skrizi
# nina +1 (Andreas P)
# nina +1 (mona)
# nina +1 (Felix)
# carrot_c4k3
# newbe3e
# morganamilo
# morganamilo +1
# blende666
# blende666 +1
# pandora
# pandora + 1
# pandora + 2
# pandora + 3
# Jitkq
# Jitkq +1
# marcin + 2
# willscott +2
# willscott +3
# cqc +2
# acute
# acute +1
# acute +2
# Eri + 1
# Kibo
# thn (Aja) +1
# thn (Avi) +2
# thn (Brinly) +3
# thn (cat van) +4
# thn (Dan) +5
# thn (Devon) +6
# thn (Four0Four) +7
# thn (Jacqui) +8
# thn (James C) +9
# thn (Vee) +10
# thn (Zoda) +11
# thn (Seamus) +12
# thn (Fatemeh) +13
# thn (Chris) +14
# thn (Jet) +15
# thn (Matty) +16
# thn (Anh) +17
# thn (Valara) +18
# thn (Elan) +19
# thn (Kevin) +20
# fellmoon
# fellmoon + 1 (philo)
# fellmoon + 2
# fellmoon + 3
# fellmoon + 4
# moeglichewelten + 1 (geregeltkrieger)
# 4ndr3
# q66
# hds
# nina (Dominik - Joe +1
# nina (Christoph -Joe) +1
# nina (blacky -Joe) +1
# vivian (@v:meowy.tech) +1
# manu
# oTTr
# oTTr + 1
# flauschi
# gramels
# gramels +1
# gramels +2
# gramels +3

39c3-voucher-queue

2025-08-15T10:17:03Z

Hanemile: /* wants a ticket */

==The voucher queue of 39c3==

One person per line! If you need 2 tickets you need 2 lines.
This is so that we can use the count functionality of the Mediawiki.

Furthermore please make sure that the people handling this vouchers later have a way to contact you.
Being in the matrix / irc room with the same nick (and actually reading that) should do it.

=== wants a ticket ===

# mc.fly
# stemnic
# junglerot
# chewymoose (Amy)
# hanemile
# add yourself...

WHY 2025

2025-08-05T16:10:35Z

Hanemile: /* Sets */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=52_41_28_N_4_44_47_E Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
* The next Milliways orga meeting is on '''2025-07-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET''' - [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
* Tickets for WHY2025 are sold out. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in the Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.
* Add the Milliways event timeline to your calendar
** ICS is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, gauging space needed at the site and feasability of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
You could find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here] but they seem sold out now. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.

=== What to bring? ===

Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist]. There is also the [https://wiki.why2025.org/What_to_bring official packing wiki page].

* Cash (as in: physical Euros)
** WHY is mostly cashless; bars, supermarket, and food are card/phone/cash-to-card. But you’ll want some cash for hacker badges, village donations, workshops, add-ons, and our [https://wiki.milliways.info/index.php?title=Challenge_coins Milliways WHY Challenge Coin].
** Try to get your cash before you reach Alkmaar as local ATMs will be popular last-minute stops.
** Use any reputable ATM (Geldmaat or GWK) outside the region while you still can.

Tips:
* Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
* Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? See [[#Milliways tents]].

=== When do I arrive? ===

Reference https://wiki.why2025.org/Timeline.

=== How do I find milliways? ===

Reference the official map https://map.why2025.org/.

=== Where do I find some other info? ===

Reference the official wiki https://wiki.why2025.org/.

=== Milliways tents ===

We have a small amount of tents that we'll bring with us. Maybe 5.

Add yourself if you need a tent:

# Isabella (Z80Kitty)
# Alex P.
# ...

==Plans==

Public Milliways Event Timeline is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]
Add it to your own calendar app!

===Day 0 - Thursday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====14:00 Welcome to Milliways!====
First camp? Confused about where to go or what to do? How does the kitchen work and what is Milliways anyway? Come get a tour of the village, find out what we're about and how to get involved here!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

===Day 1 - Friday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====14:00 Welcome to Milliways!====
First camp? Confused about where to go or what to do? How does the kitchen work and what is Milliways anyway? Come get a tour of the village, find out what we're about and how to get involved here!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 2 - Saturday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 PHRACK #72 RELEASE PARTY====
[https://haunted.computer/@phrack/114870139947457649 Free beer & PHRACK memorial b33r cup 🍻]

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 3 - Sunday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 Whiskyleaks====
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time! We will start in the evening, the more exact time will appear here eventually.

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 4 - Monday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 SSH Retro Games====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 5 - Tuesday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

===[[Challenge_coins|Coins]], Flags, Patches===

We have WHY themed [[Challenge_coins|challenge coins]] which are a nice souvenir available for a donation which helps us run Milliways, give you free beer etc. Ask the Milliways Infodesk or find someone who seems less confused than everyone else to get one.

We also have [[2025-flag-list|Milliways flags]] and Milliways patches available.

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+kSxbKmdcAq0-hcEE1JA-s0-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HKy8wBu9l+xuxA3qcqk0rzRU/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Jp3Irj6do2XbOtu13S2JriHf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/dkKFaRa8x+osIxucldEAdi+Y/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/BuYPDIIJ72PNIe5cI5mx36o5/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/RakXYXj7wedz8Du1r00ZGybV/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/VcO6wb83jB7gfwFIcsVlS4e-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || | [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/fGk7P+Su-5gQQS36JaKhf55i/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** Feel free to add yourself to [[#Sets]] or post in https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Noise (music, DJs) || <yourname> || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:cy | cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== Kitchen ===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== Bar ===

=== Infodesk ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Though most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== Team Beer ===

The team is [[User:cy|cy]], [[User:ljrk|lj-rk]] and [[User:mc.fly | mc.fly]]

Sponsor a keg list: [[Why2026-beer]]

We want to make the Beer tap great again.

For that we plan to orgainze german (and maybe dutch) Beers at the camp.

Further beers are welcome.
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 2-4day notice for orders
** Cannot deliver to WHY, pickup only.
* Bier&co [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/b/b6/Prijslijst_Bier%26cO_01-01-2025_-_HAP_Kern.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 7-10day notice for orders
** Can deliver to WHY

We'll have all the tap heads that exist to make sure we can tap everything properly.

If you want to bring a beer keg please talk to us.

=== Power ===
Lead: cqc

As of 2207 there are no requirements and no plan, but we should be good based on cccamp23 stock in storage?

Coordinating additional cabling purchases for jungle dome lighting install to supplement, as we do not have the miketango supplies from cccamp23.

=== Water ===

Planning a 100m run of drinkwater safe Tyleen HDPE 25mm tube from Team Safety to Kitchen.
Approeved by Team:NUTS.

Secondarily planning a separate tap for village use to fill water bottles - near bar?
Might not meet this ask.

=== Art & Beauty ===

[[File:Jungledome.png | 800px | link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclaXQWVRCg]]

Discussion takes place here https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

==== Sets ====

Feel free to add yourself here if you want to play music at some point. There are things happening on some evenings e.g. Whiskyleaks which may influence your choice, see [[#Plans]]. Talk to boreq to try to figure out scheduling.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Who !! Start
|-
| chrome || Day 2, Saturday, 20:00 - 22:00?
|-
| nspace + cyanpencil || Day 3, Sunday, 20:00 - 22:00?
|-
| coderobe || needs scheduling
|-
| Lorphos || needs scheduling
|-
| altrona || needs scheduling
|-
|}

==== Curfew ====

* Curfew is 23:00. This is driven by location permit. [https://wiki.why2025.org/Camprules#Noise] [https://wiki.why2025.org/FAQ#What_about_noise,_music_and_such?]
* Party area will switch to a camp-wide silent disco at 23:00. Some explanation on how this works here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYR5NEg8sHY&t=830s].
* PL don't wanna play police through team safety. Overshooting 23:00 by 10-15mins ok, fine but don't test the limits.
** There's no real measurable "This is loud/This is quiet" level as then you get into - how is this measured, from what distance, in which direction, with which equipment.
** So it's gonna be a vibe check.
*** Please demonstrate excellence and work towards finishing your set around 23:00 with margin for error.
** Note that the wiki says no LOUD music so the implication is that some music is fine but we will likely have to turn it down significantly.

==== Planning ====

'''Rules: if it's a list it means nothing. If it's a table it means we ordered this/it's coming/it's confirmed.'''

Here is the idea for the dome/music:
* we take the [[Dome]]
* we put the lights, music and fog machines in it
* maybe some seating on the sides
* we add camo nets and fake plants hanging from the dome
* we end up with a jungle music dome
* we need jungle dome [I'm afraid]

What we have and MAY bring, needs coordinating:
* mcfly has a [https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/32787921000.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol shehds dmx controler]
* ✅ Lorphos WILL bring a <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr>, a dj headset and a disco ball light with DMX512.
* cqc thought about maybe making a disco ball that looks like the WHY logo
* mcfly has an [https://www.highlite.com/en/50807-net-2-3-pocket.html artnet dmx controller]

===== Questions for the meeting / things we need / outstanding problems =====
* we need eurocrates to store nets plants for future events, have we ordered those?
** Meeting 2025-07-06: not ordering yet, we will see what the financial situation is after why
* "We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village. " is this still relevant?
** maybe do something on day 1?
* FOG MACHINE JUICE 🚨🚨🚨
* [[Why 2025 art and beauty#Painting/Signage|Sign and booth painting supplies]]
* the noise rules are confusing

===== Fixtures we will have from 250722 meeting with mc.fly =====
* 20 pars?
** 12-16x outdoor PARs RGBWA-UV 18x18W https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008567036434.html
* 5 bars
** 5x bars indoor RGBWA-UV 18x18W https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000112732451.html
* 6 moving heads
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33044876126.html
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006165502030.html
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32848251342.html
* 2x blinders
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004930079185.html
* Disco ball
** 40cm disco ball and spinner
* mounting clamps
** 24x https://www.thomann.nl/manfrotto_035_super_clamp_24pcs.htm
* RGB crystal magic ball (DMX) 1x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006565214937.html
* ArtNet adapter
** mc.fly bringing https://www.thomann.nl/showtec_net_2_3_pocket.htm
* Avo Quartz lighting desk (from Infinity)

====== Still needed as of 250722: ======
* Mounting Clamps: 1x more set of 24x https://www.thomann.nl/manfrotto_035_super_clamp_24pcs.htm
** do these need extra bolts to connect to the base of the fixture to the clamp?
* Power Cables
** powercon, build or buy
** more schuko multitaps
** more schuko extension cables
* DMX
** buy premade

====Music setup checklist====
* ✅ Sound System: Fame Audio Discovery 15+18 Stage 4 - Set
* ✅ Main mixer: X32 digital mixer with 16 XLR preamp (very kindly provided by Infinity553)
* Long XLR balanced cables to connect mixer to sound system (need to check if they’re included with the sound system)
* ✅ <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr> with XLR cables 3m
* ✅ DJ-style headphones
* ✅ Cable protection (ramps or tape): cables can simply be attached to the dome so they won't be on the ground
* Large table for gear and mixer (ideally supports two setups, for smooth switches)
* ✅ Sun cover for daytime sets, if any are planned: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ Emergency rain cover, quick to deploy: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* Power strip and enough power supplies, with extra outlets on table (separate from sound system)
* Audio backup (e.g. USB with preloaded set — chrome'll handle it)
* Separate surface for DMX/lights/FX gear
* ✅ Power supply for lights and effects: a lot of power cables and power strips will come from storage
* For the music console location: If the mixer<>system XLR cables are long enough (about 15m?), we could place the console in front of the speakers, behind the crowd. This would remove the need for monitors and improve mixing quality. We can decide on site.

====Lighting and special effects setup checklist====
* ✅ DMX lights: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ DMX cables: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ Fog machines: being provided by Infinity and mcfly
* ✅ Fog machine juice
* ✅ DMX controller: Infinity is bringing a DMX console
* Power cables: cqc worries we don't have enough in storage?
* artnet to dmx?
* sign that says JUNGLE DOME
** [[User:Agb]] will handle painting, but sign needs a primer coat in advance
** [[Why 2025 art and beauty#Painting/Signage|Sign painting supplies]]

====What Infinity is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Speakers || Fame Discovery || 2 || Active Speaker Set 2x 18"Sub 2x 15"Top || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Mixer || Behringer X32 || 1 || Tour Mixer for FOH || Not Waterproof!
|-
| DJ Deck || Denon Prime 4+ || 1 || Standalone DJ Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Lightdesk || Avo Quartz || 1 || Standalone DMX Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Cable || CEE 7/4 to True1 || 2 || Powercable for Speaker Sub/Top Splitter || CEE7/4 side is IP rated Plug
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Mixer > Speaker || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Booth > FOH || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 3m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when on Pole
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 15m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when mounted else where
|-
| Cable || Ethercon Spool 50m || 1 || DMX Controller > Artnetnode || None
|-
| Special effect || Fog machine || 1 || 600W ||
|-
|}

====What mcfly is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Special effect || 1500W Fog Smoke Machine DMX RGB 24LED Stage Light Effect Remote Vertical Sprayer || 1 || ||
|-
| Artnet to DMX || Showtec NET-2/3 Pocket || 1 || ||
|-
|}

====What Lorphos is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Rgb Magic Ball Effect Light Dmx || 1 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006565214937.html ||
|-
|-
|}

====What was ordered to Obsidian's====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Cost (Euro) !! Who paid !! Notes !! Delivered?
|-
| Camo net (4m x 6m) || 10 || 225 || boreq || 2 kinds, 5 of each = 10 || ✅
|-
| Fake red flowers || 10 || 14 || boreq || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅
|-
| Fake purple flowers || 10 || 14 || boreq || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅
|-
| Fake ivy || 9 || 30 || boreq || 9 sets of 10m = 9 sets of 5 strings = 45 strings || ✅
|-
| Fake fern || 10 || 22 || boreq || 10 ferns || ✅
|-
| Fog machine juice 5l || 3 x 5l || 65 || boreq || Cameo CLFDJ5L Medium Density/Tool Time DJ Liquid for Smoke Machine || ✅
|-
| Zipties || 500 || 10 || boreq || 250x3 || ✅
|-
| Disco ball || 1 || ? || willscott || || ✅
|-
| Glowsticks || 400 || 45 || boreq || || ✅
|-
| Earplugs || 100 || 15 || boreq || 100 pairs || ✅
|-
| Powercon connector || 20 || 30 || boreq || || ✅
|-
| Powercon connector || 10 || 15 || boreq || || ✅
|-
|}

====What was ordered for Phrack====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Delivered?
|-
| PAR outdoor RGBWA-UV 18x18W || 6 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005008567036434.html PowerCon, 3pDMX || yes
|-
| spot moving head 60W RGBW || 4 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/33004809614.html IEC, 3pDMX|| yes
|-
| vertical Smoke machine 1500W RGB || 1 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007886644419.html IEC, 3pDMX||
|-
| horizontal smoke machine 1500W || 2 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005009120378630.html IEC, 3pDMX || yes
|-
| 6W laser || 2 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005009465593672.html PowerCon, 3pDMX|| yes
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 1m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 2m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 3m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 5m ||
|-
| Manfrotto clamp || 24 || ||
|-
| Safety cable || 40 || ||
|-
|}

====What is being brought from the storage? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Moved to Obsidian's? !! Moved to camp?
|-
| Tarp || 1 || The large white tarp for the dome || ||
|-
| [[Dome]] || 1 || || ||
|-
| Benches || ? || The dome benches || ||
|-
| DMX lights || ? || || ||
|-
| DMX cables || ? || || ||
|-
| Power cables || ? || cqc voiced concerns about their number || ||
|-
|}

====What is being built? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Completed?
|-
| Sign|| 1 || Sign that says "Jungle Dome" ||
|-
|}

====What is being organized and will be available but boreq lost control over where and when that is appearing etc? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! We have this?
|-
| Banner || 1 || Banner that says "Jungle Dome" || ORdered and paid. Delivery to Obsidian on Fri 1st.
|-
| DJ table || 1 || 200x60 Klapptheken (Likely 94 high) No sink ;) || Rental confirmed and paid. Pickup Day -1 Wed 6th
|-
|}

=== Constructions ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! What !! Planned !! Completed !! Notes
|-
| Infodesk || in progress || No || mcfly + junglerot working on this?
|-
| Bar || done || Done || To be moved to Obsidian's on sat 2nd as flatpack
|-
| Kitchen Floor || decided it's not needed || No || Not a sure thing. Weather dependant
|}

It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

=== Heaven ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== Logistics / Buildup / Teardown ===

* Sat 02.08 - We are taking things from storage and staging them closer to camp at Obsidian's
* Sun 03.08 - DAY -4
* Mon 04.08 - DAY -3
* Tue 05.08 - DAY -2 - if something isn't at Obsidian's at this point it won't get to camp - we are bringing things from Obsidian's to camp - Milliways Buildup 1
* Wed 06.08 - DAY -1 - Milliways Buildup 2
* Thu 07.08 - DAY 0 - Milliways Buildup 3
* Fri 08.08 - DAY 1
* Sat 09.08 - DAY 2
* Sun 10.08 - DAY 3
* Mon 11.08 - DAY 4
* Tue 12.08 - DAY 5
* Wed 13.08 - Teardown 1
* Thu 14.08 - Teardown 2

=== Freeside ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! What !! Who !! How much !! Note
|-
| Coleman shelter + 2 walls || cqc || 205 EUR|| Ordered to Obsidian's and delivered
|-
| Biergarten furniture || obsidian || de nada || included 1 beer table set for freeside in milliways order
|-
| 5x outdoor power strip || ilbelkyr || de nada || will be brought to camp
|-
| A few flags || boreq || de nada || will be brought to camp
|-
|}

== Vendors ==

* Groothandel (wholesale market) - sligro in Alkmaar
https://www.sligro.nl/vestigingen/alkmaar.html
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
* Bier&co 2025 Pricelist
* Aanhangwagenbedrijf [http://www.vandeburgwal.nl/ van de Burgwal]
** Cooling Trailer
** €435
** Need to ask about second trailer
* [https://meijnetenten.nl/ Meijne Tenten]
** 5x15 army tent
** €256
** No Delivery/Drop-off - pickup only

Bier:
* Trinkgut https://www.trinkgut.de/markt/konopatzki
* Getraenke Janssen GmbH - +4928289039991

== Subvillages ==

* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:SSH_(Spanish_Speaking_Hackers) SSH]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Cluster:GR.A.P.P.A. GR.A.P.P.A.]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Cyber_Saiyan Cyber Saiyan]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:End_Summer_Camp End Summer Camp]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Metro_Olografix Metro Olografix]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:What_Hackers_J%C3%B6rn What Hackers Jörn]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:EMF EMF]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Freeside Freeside]
* Church of Cryptography
* Hardware Hacking Area
* RIPE NCC
* Italian Hacker Embassy
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Irish_Embassy Irish Embassy ]

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===

We will be using it for the organized events and music.

===Rummary Tent===

===5x15 Army tent hangout spot===

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-07-29T12:16:09Z

Hanemile: /* What to bring? */ cash

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=52_41_28_N_4_44_47_E Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
* The next Milliways orga meeting is on '''2025-07-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET''' - [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
* Tickets for WHY2025 are sold out. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in the Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.
* Add the Milliways event timeline to your calendar
** ICS is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, gauging space needed at the site and feasability of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
You could find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here] but they seem sold out now. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.

=== What to bring? ===

Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist]. There is also the [https://wiki.why2025.org/What_to_bring official packing wiki page].

* Cash (as in: physical Euros)
** WHY is mostly cashless; bars, supermarket, and food are card/phone/cash-to-card. But you’ll want some cash for hacker badges, village donations, workshops, add-ons, and our [https://wiki.milliways.info/index.php?title=Challenge_coins Milliways WHY Challenge Coin].
** Try to get your cash before you reach Alkmaar as local ATMs will be popular last-minute stops.
** Use any reputable ATM (Geldmaat or GWK) outside the region while you still can.

Tips:
* Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
* Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? See [[#Milliways tents]].

=== When do I arrive? ===

Reference https://wiki.why2025.org/Timeline.

=== How do I find milliways? ===

Reference the official map https://map.why2025.org/.

=== Where do I find some other info? ===

Reference the official wiki https://wiki.why2025.org/.

=== Milliways tents ===

We have a small amount of tents that we'll bring with us. Maybe 5.

Add yourself if you need a tent:

# Isabella (Z80Kitty)
# ...

==Plans==

Public Milliways Event Timeline is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]
Add it to your own calendar app!

===Day 0 - Thursday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====14:00 Welcome to Milliways!====
First camp? Confused about where to go or what to do? How does the kitchen work and what is Milliways anyway? Come get a tour of the village, find out what we're about and how to get involved here!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

===Day 1 - Friday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====14:00 Welcome to Milliways!====
First camp? Confused about where to go or what to do? How does the kitchen work and what is Milliways anyway? Come get a tour of the village, find out what we're about and how to get involved here!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 2 - Saturday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 PHRACK #72 RELEASE PARTY====
[https://haunted.computer/@phrack/114870139947457649 Free beer & PHRACK memorial b33r cup 🍻]

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 3 - Sunday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 Whiskyleaks====
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time! We will start in the evening, the more exact time will appear here eventually.

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 4 - Monday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 SSH Retro Games====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 5 - Tuesday===
====13:00 Milliways Meeting====
Want to find out how we run our village? How you can help either with our events or kitchen? Get your latest news on the goings on? Join us for our daily Village-Orga meeting!

====20:30 TBD====
Your event here?

===[[Challenge_coins|Coins]], Flags, Patches===

We have WHY themed [[Challenge_coins|challenge coins]] which are a nice souvenir available for a donation which helps us run Milliways, give you free beer etc. Ask the Milliways Infodesk or find someone who seems less confused than everyone else to get one.

We also have [[2025-flag-list|Milliways flags]] and Milliways patches available.

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+kSxbKmdcAq0-hcEE1JA-s0-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HKy8wBu9l+xuxA3qcqk0rzRU/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Jp3Irj6do2XbOtu13S2JriHf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/dkKFaRa8x+osIxucldEAdi+Y/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/BuYPDIIJ72PNIe5cI5mx36o5/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/RakXYXj7wedz8Du1r00ZGybV/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/VcO6wb83jB7gfwFIcsVlS4e-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || | [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/fGk7P+Su-5gQQS36JaKhf55i/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** Feel free to add yourself to [[#Sets]] or post in https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Noise (music, DJs) || <yourname> || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:cy | cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== Kitchen ===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== Bar ===

=== Infodesk ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Though most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== Team Beer ===

The team is [[User:cy|cy]], [[User:ljrk|lj-rk]] and [[User:mc.fly | mc.fly]]

Sponsor a keg list: [[Why2026-beer]]

We want to make the Beer tap great again.

For that we plan to orgainze german (and maybe dutch) Beers at the camp.

Further beers are welcome.
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 2-4day notice for orders
** Cannot deliver to WHY, pickup only.
* Bier&co [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/b/b6/Prijslijst_Bier%26cO_01-01-2025_-_HAP_Kern.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 7-10day notice for orders
** Can deliver to WHY

We'll have all the tap heads that exist to make sure we can tap everything properly.

If you want to bring a beer keg please talk to us.

=== Power ===
Lead: cqc

As of 2207 there are no requirements and no plan, but we should be good based on cccamp23 stock in storage?

Coordinating additional cabling purchases for jungle dome lighting install to supplement, as we do not have the miketango supplies from cccamp23.

=== Water ===

Planning a 100m run of drinkwater safe Tyleen HDPE 25mm tube from Team Safety to Kitchen.
Approeved by Team:NUTS.

Secondarily planning a separate tap for village use to fill water bottles - near bar?
Might not meet this ask.

=== Art & Beauty ===

[[File:Jungledome.png | 800px | link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclaXQWVRCg]]

Discussion takes place here https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

==== Sets ====

Feel free to add yourself here if you want to play music at some point. There are things happening on some evenings e.g. Whiskyleaks which may influence your choice, see [[#Plans]]. Talk to boreq to try to figure out scheduling.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Who !! Start
|-
| nspace + cyanpencil for the phrack party || Day 2, Saturday, 20:00 - 22:00?
|-
| chrome || Day 2, Saturday, 21.00 > 23.00 or 22.00 > 24.00?
|-
| coderobe || needs scheduling
|-
| Lorphos || needs scheduling
|-
| altrona || needs scheduling
|-
|}

==== Curfew ====

* Curfew is 23:00. This is driven by location permit. [https://wiki.why2025.org/Camprules#Noise] [https://wiki.why2025.org/FAQ#What_about_noise,_music_and_such?]
* Party area will switch to a camp-wide silent disco at 23:00. Some explanation on how this works here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYR5NEg8sHY&t=830s].
* PL don't wanna play police through team safety. Overshooting 23:00 by 10-15mins ok, fine but don't test the limits.
** There's no real measurable "This is loud/This is quiet" level as then you get into - how is this measured, from what distance, in which direction, with which equipment.
** So it's gonna be a vibe check.
*** Please demonstrate excellence and work towards finishing your set around 23:00 with margin for error.
** Note that the wiki says no LOUD music so the implication is that some music is fine but we will likely have to turn it down significantly.

==== Planning ====

'''Rules: if it's a list it means nothing. If it's a table it means we ordered this/it's coming/it's confirmed.'''

Here is the idea for the dome/music:
* we take the [[Dome]]
* we put the lights, music and fog machines in it
* maybe some seating on the sides
* we add camo nets and fake plants hanging from the dome
* we end up with a jungle music dome
* we need jungle dome [I'm afraid]

What we have and MAY bring, needs coordinating:
* mcfly has a [https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/32787921000.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol shehds dmx controler]
* ✅ Lorphos WILL bring a <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr>, a dj headset and a disco ball light with DMX512.
* cqc thought about maybe making a disco ball that looks like the WHY logo
* mcfly has an [https://www.highlite.com/en/50807-net-2-3-pocket.html artnet dmx controller]

===== Questions for the meeting / things we need / outstanding problems =====
* we need eurocrates to store nets plants for future events, have we ordered those?
** Meeting 2025-07-06: not ordering yet, we will see what the financial situation is after why
* "We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village. " is this still relevant?
** maybe do something on day 1?
* dj table how large?
* [[Why 2025 art and beauty#Painting/Signage|Sign and booth painting supplies]]
* the noise rules are abysmal

===== Fixtures we will have from 250722 meeting with mc.fly =====
* 20 pars?
** 12-16x outdoor PARs RGBWA-UV 18x18W https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008567036434.html
* 5 bars
** 5x bars indoor RGBWA-UV 18x18W https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000112732451.html
* 6 moving heads
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33044876126.html
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006165502030.html
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32848251342.html
* 2x blinders
** 2x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004930079185.html
* Disco ball
** 40cm disco ball and spinner
* mounting clamps
** 24x https://www.thomann.nl/manfrotto_035_super_clamp_24pcs.htm
* RGB crystal magic ball (DMX) 1x https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006565214937.html
* ArtNet adapter
** mc.fly bringing https://www.thomann.nl/showtec_net_2_3_pocket.htm
* Avo Quartz lighting desk (from Infinity)

====== Still needed as of 250722: ======
* Mounting Clamps: 1x more set of 24x https://www.thomann.nl/manfrotto_035_super_clamp_24pcs.htm
** do these need extra bolts to connect to the base of the fixture to the clamp?
* Power Cables
** powercon, build or buy
** more schuko multitaps
** more schuko extension cables
* DMX
** buy premade

====Music setup checklist====
* ✅ Sound System: Fame Audio Discovery 15+18 Stage 4 - Set
* ✅ Main mixer: X32 digital mixer with 16 XLR preamp (very kindly provided by Infinity553)
* Long XLR balanced cables to connect mixer to sound system (need to check if they’re included with the sound system)
* ✅ <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr> with XLR cables 3m
* ✅ DJ-style headphones
* ✅ Cable protection (ramps or tape): cables can simply be attached to the dome so they won't be on the ground
* Large table for gear and mixer (ideally supports two setups, for smooth switches)
* ✅ Sun cover for daytime sets, if any are planned: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ Emergency rain cover, quick to deploy: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* Power strip and enough power supplies, with extra outlets on table (separate from sound system)
* Audio backup (e.g. USB with preloaded set — chrome'll handle it)
* Separate surface for DMX/lights/FX gear
* ✅ Power supply for lights and effects: a lot of power cables and power strips will come from storage
* For the music console location: If the mixer<>system XLR cables are long enough (about 15m?), we could place the console in front of the speakers, behind the crowd. This would remove the need for monitors and improve mixing quality. We can decide on site.

====Lighting and special effects setup checklist====
* ✅ DMX lights: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ DMX cables: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ Fog machines: being provided by Infinity and mcfly
* ✅ Fog machine juice
* ✅ DMX controller: Infinity is bringing a DMX console
* Power cables: cqc worries we don't have enough in storage?
* artnet to dmx?
* sign that says JUNGLE DOME
** [[User:Agb]] will handle painting, but sign needs a primer coat in advance
** [[Why 2025 art and beauty#Painting/Signage|Sign painting supplies]]

====What Infinity is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Speakers || Fame Discovery || 2 || Active Speaker Set 2x 18"Sub 2x 15"Top || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Mixer || Behringer X32 || 1 || Tour Mixer for FOH || Not Waterproof!
|-
| DJ Deck || Denon Prime 4+ || 1 || Standalone DJ Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Lightdesk || Avo Quartz || 1 || Standalone DMX Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Cable || CEE 7/4 to True1 || 2 || Powercable for Speaker Sub/Top Splitter || CEE7/4 side is IP rated Plug
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Mixer > Speaker || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Booth > FOH || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 3m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when on Pole
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 15m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when mounted else where
|-
| Cable || Ethercon Spool 50m || 1 || DMX Controller > Artnetnode || None
|-
| Special effect || Fog machine || 1 || 600W ||
|-
|}

====What mcfly is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Special effect || 1500W Fog Smoke Machine DMX RGB 24LED Stage Light Effect Remote Vertical Sprayer || 1 || ||
|-
| Artnet to DMX || Showtec NET-2/3 Pocket || 1 || ||
|-
|}

====What Lorphos is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Rgb Magic Ball Effect Light Dmx || 1 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006565214937.html ||
|-
|-
|}

====What was ordered to Obsidian's====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Cost (Euro) !! Who paid !! Notes !! Delivered?
|-
| Camo net (4m x 6m) || 10 || 225 || boreq || 2 kinds, 5 of each = 10 || ✅
|-
| Fake red flowers || 10 || 14 || boreq || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅
|-
| Fake purple flowers || 10 || 14 || boreq || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅
|-
| Fake ivy || 9 || 30 || boreq || 9 sets of 10m = 9 sets of 5 strings = 45 strings || ✅
|-
| Fake fern || 10 || 22 || boreq || 10 ferns || ✅
|-
| Fog machine juice 5l || 3 x 5l || 65 || boreq || Cameo CLFDJ5L Medium Density/Tool Time DJ Liquid for Smoke Machine || ✅
|-
| Zipties || 500 || 10 || boreq || 250x3 || ✅
|-
| Disco ball || 1 || ? || willscott || || ✅
|-
| Glowsticks || 400 || 45 || boreq || || ✅
|-
| Earplugs || 100 || 15 || boreq || 100 pairs || ✅
|-
| Powercon connector || 20 || 30 || boreq || ||
|-
| Fog machine juice || 2 x 20l || 90 || boreq || ||
|-
| Powercon connector || 10 || 15 || boreq || ||
|-
|}

====What was ordered for Phrack====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Delivered?
|-
| PAR outdoor RGBWA-UV 18x18W || 6 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005008567036434.html PowerCon, 3pDMX || yes
|-
| spot moving head 60W RGBW || 4 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/33004809614.html IEC, 3pDMX|| yes
|-
| vertical Smoke machine 1500W RGB || 1 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007886644419.html IEC, 3pDMX||
|-
| horizontal smoke machine 1500W || 2 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005009120378630.html IEC, 3pDMX || yes
|-
| 6W laser || 2 || https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005009465593672.html PowerCon, 3pDMX|| yes
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 1m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 2m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 3m ||
|-
| DMX cable || 10 || 5m ||
|-
| Manfrotto clamp || 24 || ||
|-
| Safety cable || 40 || ||
|-
|}

====What is being brought from the storage? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Moved to Obsidian's? !! Moved to camp?
|-
| Tarp || 1 || The large white tarp for the dome || ||
|-
| [[Dome]] || 1 || || ||
|-
| Benches || ? || The dome benches || ||
|-
| DMX lights || ? || || ||
|-
| DMX cables || ? || || ||
|-
| Power cables || ? || cqc voiced concerns about their number || ||
|-
|}

====What is being built? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Completed?
|-
| Sign|| 1 || Sign that says "Jungle Dome" ||
|-
|}

====What is being organized and will be available but boreq lost control over where and when that is appearing etc? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! We have this?
|-
| Banner || 1 || Banner that says "Jungle Dome" || ORdered and paid. Delivery to Obsidian on Fri 1st.
|-
| DJ table || 1 || 200x60 Klapptheken (Likely 94 high) No sink ;) || Rental confirmed and paid. Pickup Day -1 Wed 6th
|-
|}

=== Constructions ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! What !! Planned !! Completed !! Notes
|-
| Infodesk || in progress || No || mcfly + junglerot working on this?
|-
| Bar || done || Done || To be moved to Obsidian's on sat 2nd as flatpack
|-
| Kitchen Floor || lumber order planned || No || Not a sure thing. Weather dependant
|}

It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

=== Heaven ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== Logistics / Buildup / Teardown ===

* Sat 02.08 - We are taking things from storage and staging them closer to camp at Obsidian's
* Sun 03.08 - DAY -4
* Mon 04.08 - DAY -3
* Tue 05.08 - DAY -2 - if something isn't at Obsidian's at this point it won't get to camp - we are bringing things from Obsidian's to camp - Milliways Buildup 1
* Wed 06.08 - DAY -1 - Milliways Buildup 2
* Thu 07.08 - DAY 0 - Milliways Buildup 3
* Fri 08.08 - DAY 1
* Sat 09.08 - DAY 2
* Sun 10.08 - DAY 3
* Mon 11.08 - DAY 4
* Tue 12.08 - DAY 5
* Wed 13.08 - Teardown 1
* Thu 14.08 - Teardown 2

=== Freeside ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! What !! Who !! How much !! Note
|-
| Coleman shelter + 2 walls || cqc || 205 EUR|| Ordered to Obsidian's and delivered
|-
| Biergarten furniture || obsidian || de nada || included 1 beer table set for freeside in milliways order
|-
| 5x outdoor power strip || ilbelkyr || de nada || will be brought to camp
|-
| A few flags || boreq || de nada || will be brought to camp
|-
|}

== Vendors ==

* Groothandel (wholesale market) - sligro in Alkmaar
https://www.sligro.nl/vestigingen/alkmaar.html
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
* Bier&co 2025 Pricelist
* Aanhangwagenbedrijf [http://www.vandeburgwal.nl/ van de Burgwal]
** Cooling Trailer
** €435
** Need to ask about second trailer
* [https://meijnetenten.nl/ Meijne Tenten]
** 5x15 army tent
** €256
** No Delivery/Drop-off - pickup only

Bier:
* Trinkgut https://www.trinkgut.de/markt/konopatzki
* Getraenke Janssen GmbH - +4928289039991

== Subvillages ==

* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:SSH_(Spanish_Speaking_Hackers) SSH]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Cluster:GR.A.P.P.A. GR.A.P.P.A.]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Cyber_Saiyan Cyber Saiyan]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:End_Summer_Camp End Summer Camp]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Metro_Olografix Metro Olografix]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:What_Hackers_J%C3%B6rn What Hackers Jörn]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:EMF EMF]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Freeside Freeside]
* Church of Cryptography
* Hardware Hacking Area
* RIPE NCC
* Italian Hacker Embassy
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Irish_Embassy Irish Embassy ]

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===

We will be using it for the organized events and music.

===Rummary Tent===

===5x15 Army tent hangout spot===

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

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== About Us ==
[[File:Milliways at cccamp2019.jpg|thumb|right|Milliways at CCCamp 2019]]
We ask new travellers five questions:

#Who are you?
#How did you get here?
#What can you do for Milliways?
#What can Milliways do for you?
#What are you good in which is not computers?

=== What is Milliways? ===
Milliways is a group of information security specialists, which has appeared at several hacker camps in Europe and North America since 2003. We plan and build large installations and infrastructure, where we feed and host hundreds of hackers, providing a space for discussions and networking.

See our CCCamp23 [https://media.ccc.de/v/camp2023-57756-chaos_family_milliways talk].

=== How did we get here? ===
A happy little accident, nobody quite remembers, but we're still here.

=== What can we do for you? ===
Milliways can offer a space for discussions, networking, and talks.
All over a nice beer, hot coffee, or fine whisky.

=== What can you do for us? ===
Milliways is volunteer-run and always welcomes another helping hand.
We do a lot of things, whether you can cook, build-up, tear-down, clean-up, give a talk...

=== What are we good at that is not computers? ===
Travelers of Milliways are experienced in all walks of life, from baking to photography, woodwork, and everything in between.

----

Now it's your turn, head over to [[communications]] to contact us - don't forget your five answers.

<gallery>
File:Flags at emf2022.jpg
File:Dont panic.jpg
</gallery>

== Events ==

=== Future ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Future Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes
|-
| [[WHY_2025 | WHY2025]] || Camp || 08 - 12 August 2025 || Geestmerambacht, Netherlands || https://why2025.org/ || [https://tickets.why2025.org Tickets] are available now!
|-
| [[emfcamp 2026]] || Camp || May / June 2026 || Maybe Eastnor, UK || https://www.emfcamp.org/ || emfcamp 2026.
|-
| [[ToorCamp 2026]] || Camp || July 2026 || Maybe San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/|| toorcamp 2026
|-
| [[39c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2026 || Hamburg, Germany? || https://events.ccc.de || Chaos Communication Congress 2026
|-
| [[CCCamp 2027]] || Camp || August 2027 || Brandenburg, Germany....? || hahaha. We'll see beginning of 2027 || Chaos Communuication Camp 2027. Very likely new location. Needs a new milliways concept.
|}

=== Present ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Present Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes
|-
|}

=== Past ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Past Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes !! Travelers
|-
| [[GPN23 | GPN23]] || Camp || 19 - 22 06 2025 || Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN23 || warning: this year you need tickets || 8
|-
| [[38c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2024 || Hamburg, Germany || https://events.ccc.de || this is a thing that year.|| 150
|-
| [[ToorCamp 2024]] || Camp || 26-30 June 2024 || San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/|| || 10
|-
| [[GPN Karlsruhe (GPN 22)]] || Con || 30.05 bis 02.06 2024 || HFG Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN22 || || unknown
|-
| [[emfcamp 2024]] || Camp || May 30th–June 2nd 2024 || Eastnor, UK || https://www.emfcamp.org/ || emfcamp 2024. UK. Awesome. Workshop Tent, Dome and Kitchen. || 80
|-
| [[37c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2023 || Hamburg, Germany || https://events.ccc.de || this is a thing this year || 120
|-
| [[CCCamp 2023]] || Camp || 15-19 August 2023 || Mildenberg || https://events.ccc.de/camp/2023/infos || || 500+
|-
| [[GPN Karlsruhe (GPN 21)]] || Con || 8-11 June 2023 || HFG Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN21 || || 16
|-
| [[Easterhegg Hamburg (EH20)]] || Con || 7-10 April 2023 || https://www.kampnagel.de/ Hamburg || https://eh20.easterhegg.eu || || 20
|-
| [[HiP-Berlin ]] || Con || 27-31 December 2022 || ETI above C-BASE. Berlin || https://hip-berlin.de|| Collaboration with lot's of hackspaces in Berlin, Freeside, Digitale Gesellschaft and more || 35
|-
| [[Bornhack 2022]] || Camp || 3-10 August 2022 || Funen, Denmark || https://bornhack.dk/bornhack-2022/ || || 8?
|-
| [[MCH 2022]] || Camp || 22 - 26 July 2022 || Scoutinglandgoed in Zeewolde, 55km east of Amsterdam || https://wiki.mch2022.org/Main_Page || || 70
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2022]] || Camp || 13 - 17 July 2022 || San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/ || || unknown
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2022]] || Camp || 2022 || Eastnor, UK || https://emfcamp.org || || 100+
|-
| [[GPN 2022]] || Con || 2022 || ZKM, Karlsruhe, DE || https://entropia.de/GPN || || 12
|-
| [[Toorcamp 2020]] || Camp || 2020 || USA || || This event was cancelled due to obvious reasons. ||
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2020]] || Camp || 2020 || UK || || This event was cancelled due to obvious reasons. ||
|-
| [[36c3]] || Con || 2019 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || 200
|-
| [[CCCamp 2019]] || Camp || 2019 || Ziegeleipark Mildenberg near Zehdenick, DE || || || ca 500
|-
| [[35c3]] || Con || 2018 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || 220
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2018]] || Camp || 2018 || Eastnor Castle Deer Park, Herefordshire || || || ca 100
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2018]] || Camp || 2018 || Doe Bay, San Juan Islands, Washington, USA || || || unknown
|-
| [[34c3]] || Con || 2017 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || ca 170
|-
| [[SHA 2017]] || Camp || 2017 || Scoutinglandgoed Zeewolde, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Still Hacking Anyway 2017 || ca 100
|-
| [[33c3]] || Con || 2016 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 120
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2016]] || Camp || 2016 || Doe Bay, San Juan Islands, Washington, USA || || || ca 50
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2016]] || Camp || 2016 || Loseley Park, Guildford || || || 45
|-
| [[32c3]] || Con || 2015 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || ca 150
|-
| [[CCCamp 2015]] || Camp || 2015 || Ziegeleipark Mildenberg near Zehdenick || || || 350
|-
| [[31c3]] || Con || 2014 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 90
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2014]] || Camp || 2014 || Hobuck Beach Resort, Neah Bay, WA, US || || || 50
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2014]] || Camp || 2014 || Newton Longville, Milton Keynes || || Milliways radio || 25
|-
| [[30c3]] || Con || 2013 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 75
|-
| [[OHM 2013]] || Camp || 2013 || Geestmerambacht, Oudkarspel, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Observe Make Hack 2013 || 100+
|-
| [[29c3]] || Con || 2012 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || First milliways on a Chaos Communication Congress || 90+
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2012]] || Camp || 2012 || Hobuck Beach Resort, Neah Bay, WA, US || || || 35
|-
| [[CCCamp 2011]] || Camp || 2011 || Luftfahrtmuseum Finowfurt || || First "modern" Milliways, First Challenge coins, First Whiskyleaks || 300
|-
| [[HAR 2009]] || Camp || 2009 || Paasheuvel, Vierhouten, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Hacking at Random 2009. Radio Show together with C-RaDaR, Shardy+ certifications. || 60
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2009]] || Camp || 2009 || Titan 1 missile Silo, Moses Lake, WA, US || || First American Hacker Camp || 30
|-
| [[CCCamp 2007]] || Camp || 2007 || Luftfahrtmuseum Finowfurt || || The Village was called milliways, Internationalisation of milliways started. || maybe 75
|-
| [[WTH 2005]] || Camp || 2005 || Veldersbos, Liempde || || The Dutch Hacker Camp What The Hack 2005. Millways was part of the W00tstock Village, Radio Show together with C-RaDaR. || 30
|-
| [[CCCamp 2003]] || Camp || 2003 || Freizeithof Paulshof near Altlandsberg || || First usage of the Name Milliways, part of the FireLounge || 18
|-
| [[HAL 2001]] || Camp || 2001 || University of Twente, Enschede, NL || || pre-milliways events: Hackers at Large 2001. pre-milliways events || 6
|-
| [[CCCamp 1999]] || Camp || 1999 || Freizeithof Paulshof near Altlandsberg || || pre-milliways events: People starting milliways traveled to the CCC Camp 1999 together. || 5
|}

=== Creating a new event ===

# Think of a simple, yet unique name for the event that will be used everywhere, `38c3` works well for congress, `cccamp23` for camp, `emf24`, `why25`, ...
# Add Page `Template:<eventname>` (copy template from `Template:cccamp23` or so)
# After having copied the template, insert `Property:38c3 arrival` and `Property:38c3 departure` by clicking on the red property in the rendered template and insert <nowiki>[[Has type::Date]]</nowiki>, `Property:38c3 PlusX` and `Property:38c3 DECT` get <nowiki>[[Has type::Number]]</nowiki>
# Click on the "Category" below the event at the bottom of the Template page and create it
# Update the `Form:Person` page accordingly, replacing the last event with the new one
## 2025-07-20: semantic mediawiki forms plugin broken, people will need to just copy, paste and adjust the template manually
# Update the event page with the information needed, possibly by just copying the queries used on past events, such as [[CCCamp2023-participants]]
# Inform people that they should edit their wiki page using the "edit with form" option

== Saturday Jitsi ==

Jitsi Saturday is almost here, fellow sufferers! Join us as we navigate small talk, awkward pauses, and the occasional moment of forced positivity. See you there!

Jitsi link: if empty, contact via [[communications]] plz:
https://jitsi.milliways.info/meet-milliways
== [[Drinkups]] ==

None public currently anymore

== Projects ==

=== [[Adapt]] ===
Learn from our mistakes, communicate and organize better so we can better support our awesome projects!

=== WOPR ===

One and only, coming soon since 2006.

=== Whiskyleaks ===

Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

=== [[mail2jail]] ===

Write letters to fellow hackers currently declaring jail as their primary place of residence.

=== [[Challenge coins]] ===

Milliways creates [[challenge coins]] associated with every event we make an appearance at.

=== [[Dome|Domes]] ===

Done first for the american toorcamp 2009. Today there's several americans domes and a bigger european one in our storage. There's likely a british dome incoming.

== Infrastructure ==

=== Camp Construction Components ===

==== [[Tents]] ====
We have large [[Tents|tents]].

==== [[Dome|Domes]] ====

We have two [[Dome|domes]].

=== Storage ===

[[Storage]] - Milliways has a storage. Its a mess

[[Weeze_Storage]]

=== milliways cloud ===

[[Lenticular Cloud]] - Milliways Cloud System

[[Communications]] - you can contact Milliways using those methods

=== wishlists for Infrastructure ===

Milliways has some infrastructure. To keep this infrastructure up and running we need spare parts and every other year a replacement server. We have therefore created 3 wishlists on amazon.

==== spare parts for the server in vienna ====
managed by [[User:Tuxcoder]]

at this moment no needs, the wishlist is empty

==== spare parts for the backup server in rotterdam ====
managed by [[User:Mc.fly]]

2 new hard drives 3,5" 8TB SATA

==== parts for the server in Hamburg ====
managed by no_maam

[https://www.amazon.de/hz/wishlist/ls/34DM1N1U46RF2 Wishlist for the Hamburg server]

== Swag ==

We do [[challenge coins|coins]] and stickers. If you want to make some - look in the milliways Seafile for SVG files.

[[camp2019-t-shirt]]

Camping plates with Milliways logo (and Camp motto/year)
Idea: McFly, nina

allbranded.at has a relatively cheap offer and could deliver within 3 weeks!

We could use them for the kitchen and/or "sell" them for a little sponsoring money.

link: https://www.allbranded.at/Bar-Gastronomie/Geschirr/Teller-Barbecue.html

=== flag order ===

We will order flags you can pick up at why2025 or CCC Congress 2025. Please indicate in this [[2025-flag-list]] if you want one.

=== Logo ===

Want to know more about our [[logo|logo]]?

== Travel tips ==

* [[travel2rotterdam]]
* [[travel2karlsruhe]]
* [[travel2leipzig]]
* [[travel2camp]]

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== About Us ==
[[File:Milliways at cccamp2019.jpg|thumb|right|Milliways at CCCamp 2019]]
We ask new travellers five questions:

#Who are you?
#How did you get here?
#What can you do for Milliways?
#What can Milliways do for you?
#What are you good in which is not computers?

=== What is Milliways? ===
Milliways is a group of information security specialists, which has appeared at several hacker camps in Europe and North America since 2003. We plan and build large installations and infrastructure, where we feed and host hundreds of hackers, providing a space for discussions and networking.

See our CCCamp23 [https://media.ccc.de/v/camp2023-57756-chaos_family_milliways talk].

=== How did we get here? ===
A happy little accident, nobody quite remembers, but we're still here.

=== What can we do for you? ===
Milliways can offer a space for discussions, networking, and talks.
All over a nice beer, hot coffee, or fine whisky.

=== What can you do for us? ===
Milliways is volunteer-run and always welcomes another helping hand.
We do a lot of things, whether you can cook, build-up, tear-down, clean-up, give a talk...

=== What are we good at that is not computers? ===
Travelers of Milliways are experienced in all walks of life, from baking to photography, woodwork, and everything in between.

----

Now it's your turn, head over to [[communications]] to contact us - don't forget your five answers.

<gallery>
File:Flags at emf2022.jpg
File:Dont panic.jpg
</gallery>

== Events ==

=== Future ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Future Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes
|-
| [[WHY_2025 | WHY2025]] || Camp || 08 - 12 August 2025 || Geestmerambacht, Netherlands || https://why2025.org/ || [https://tickets.why2025.org Tickets] are available now!
|-
| [[emfcamp 2026]] || Camp || May / June 2026 || Maybe Eastnor, UK || https://www.emfcamp.org/ || emfcamp 2026.
|-
| [[ToorCamp 2026]] || Camp || July 2026 || Maybe San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/|| toorcamp 2026
|-
| [[39c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2026 || Hamburg, Germany? || https://events.ccc.de || Chaos Communication Congress 2026
|-
| [[CCCamp 2027]] || Camp || August 2027 || Brandenburg, Germany....? || hahaha. We'll see beginning of 2027 || Chaos Communuication Camp 2027. Very likely new location. Needs a new milliways concept.
|}

=== Present ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Present Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes
|-
|}

=== Past ===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|+ Past Events
|-
! Name !! Type !! When !! Location !! Link to event page !! Notes !! Travelers
|-
| [[GPN23 | GPN23]] || Camp || 19 - 22 06 2025 || Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN23 || warning: this year you need tickets || 8
|-
| [[38c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2024 || Hamburg, Germany || https://events.ccc.de || this is a thing that year.|| 150
|-
| [[ToorCamp 2024]] || Camp || 26-30 June 2024 || San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/|| || 10
|-
| [[GPN Karlsruhe (GPN 22)]] || Con || 30.05 bis 02.06 2024 || HFG Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN22 || || unknown
|-
| [[emfcamp 2024]] || Camp || May 30th–June 2nd 2024 || Eastnor, UK || https://www.emfcamp.org/ || emfcamp 2024. UK. Awesome. Workshop Tent, Dome and Kitchen. || 80
|-
| [[37c3]] || Con || 27-30. 12. 2023 || Hamburg, Germany || https://events.ccc.de || this is a thing this year || 120
|-
| [[CCCamp 2023]] || Camp || 15-19 August 2023 || Mildenberg || https://events.ccc.de/camp/2023/infos || || 500+
|-
| [[GPN Karlsruhe (GPN 21)]] || Con || 8-11 June 2023 || HFG Karlsruhe || https://entropia.de/GPN21 || || 16
|-
| [[Easterhegg Hamburg (EH20)]] || Con || 7-10 April 2023 || https://www.kampnagel.de/ Hamburg || https://eh20.easterhegg.eu || || 20
|-
| [[HiP-Berlin ]] || Con || 27-31 December 2022 || ETI above C-BASE. Berlin || https://hip-berlin.de|| Collaboration with lot's of hackspaces in Berlin, Freeside, Digitale Gesellschaft and more || 35
|-
| [[Bornhack 2022]] || Camp || 3-10 August 2022 || Funen, Denmark || https://bornhack.dk/bornhack-2022/ || || 8?
|-
| [[MCH 2022]] || Camp || 22 - 26 July 2022 || Scoutinglandgoed in Zeewolde, 55km east of Amsterdam || https://wiki.mch2022.org/Main_Page || || 70
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2022]] || Camp || 13 - 17 July 2022 || San Juan Islands, WA, USA || https://toorcamp.toorcon.net/ || || unknown
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2022]] || Camp || 2022 || Eastnor, UK || https://emfcamp.org || || 100+
|-
| [[GPN 2022]] || Con || 2022 || ZKM, Karlsruhe, DE || https://entropia.de/GPN || || 12
|-
| [[Toorcamp 2020]] || Camp || 2020 || USA || || This event was cancelled due to obvious reasons. ||
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2020]] || Camp || 2020 || UK || || This event was cancelled due to obvious reasons. ||
|-
| [[36c3]] || Con || 2019 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || 200
|-
| [[CCCamp 2019]] || Camp || 2019 || Ziegeleipark Mildenberg near Zehdenick, DE || || || ca 500
|-
| [[35c3]] || Con || 2018 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || 220
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2018]] || Camp || 2018 || Eastnor Castle Deer Park, Herefordshire || || || ca 100
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2018]] || Camp || 2018 || Doe Bay, San Juan Islands, Washington, USA || || || unknown
|-
| [[34c3]] || Con || 2017 || CCL, Leipzig, DE || || || ca 170
|-
| [[SHA 2017]] || Camp || 2017 || Scoutinglandgoed Zeewolde, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Still Hacking Anyway 2017 || ca 100
|-
| [[33c3]] || Con || 2016 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 120
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2016]] || Camp || 2016 || Doe Bay, San Juan Islands, Washington, USA || || || ca 50
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2016]] || Camp || 2016 || Loseley Park, Guildford || || || 45
|-
| [[32c3]] || Con || 2015 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || ca 150
|-
| [[CCCamp 2015]] || Camp || 2015 || Ziegeleipark Mildenberg near Zehdenick || || || 350
|-
| [[31c3]] || Con || 2014 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 90
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2014]] || Camp || 2014 || Hobuck Beach Resort, Neah Bay, WA, US || || || 50
|-
| [[EMFCAMP 2014]] || Camp || 2014 || Newton Longville, Milton Keynes || || Milliways radio || 25
|-
| [[30c3]] || Con || 2013 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || || 75
|-
| [[OHM 2013]] || Camp || 2013 || Geestmerambacht, Oudkarspel, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Observe Make Hack 2013 || 100+
|-
| [[29c3]] || Con || 2012 || CCH, Hamburg, DE || || First milliways on a Chaos Communication Congress || 90+
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2012]] || Camp || 2012 || Hobuck Beach Resort, Neah Bay, WA, US || || || 35
|-
| [[CCCamp 2011]] || Camp || 2011 || Luftfahrtmuseum Finowfurt || || First "modern" Milliways, First Challenge coins, First Whiskyleaks || 300
|-
| [[HAR 2009]] || Camp || 2009 || Paasheuvel, Vierhouten, NL || || The Dutch Hacker Camp Hacking at Random 2009. Radio Show together with C-RaDaR, Shardy+ certifications. || 60
|-
| [[TOORCAMP 2009]] || Camp || 2009 || Titan 1 missile Silo, Moses Lake, WA, US || || First American Hacker Camp || 30
|-
| [[CCCamp 2007]] || Camp || 2007 || Luftfahrtmuseum Finowfurt || || The Village was called milliways, Internationalisation of milliways started. || maybe 75
|-
| [[WTH 2005]] || Camp || 2005 || Veldersbos, Liempde || || The Dutch Hacker Camp What The Hack 2005. Millways was part of the W00tstock Village, Radio Show together with C-RaDaR. || 30
|-
| [[CCCamp 2003]] || Camp || 2003 || Freizeithof Paulshof near Altlandsberg || || First usage of the Name Milliways, part of the FireLounge || 18
|-
| [[HAL 2001]] || Camp || 2001 || University of Twente, Enschede, NL || || pre-milliways events: Hackers at Large 2001. pre-milliways events || 6
|-
| [[CCCamp 1999]] || Camp || 1999 || Freizeithof Paulshof near Altlandsberg || || pre-milliways events: People starting milliways traveled to the CCC Camp 1999 together. || 5
|}

=== Creating a new event ===

# Think of a simple, yet unique name for the event that will be used everywhere, `38c3` works well for congress, `cccamp23` for camp, `emf24`, `why25`, ...
# Add Page `Template:<eventname>` (copy template from `Template:cccamp23` or so)
# After having copied the template, insert `Property:38c3 arrival` and `Property:38c3 departure` by clicking on the red property in the rendered template and insert <nowiki>[[Has type::Date]]</nowiki>, `Property:38c3 PlusX` and `Property:38c3 DECT` get <nowiki>[[Has type::Number]]</nowiki>
# Click on the "Category" below the event at the bottom of the Template page and create it
# Update the `Form:Person` page accordingly, replacing the last event with the new one
# Update the event page with the information needed, possibly by just copying the queries used on past events, such as [[CCCamp2023-participants]]
# Inform people that they should edit their wiki page using the "edit with form" option

== Saturday Jitsi ==

Jitsi Saturday is almost here, fellow sufferers! Join us as we navigate small talk, awkward pauses, and the occasional moment of forced positivity. See you there!

Jitsi link: if empty, contact via [[communications]] plz:
https://jitsi.milliways.info/meet-milliways
== [[Drinkups]] ==

None public currently anymore

== Projects ==

=== [[Adapt]] ===
Learn from our mistakes, communicate and organize better so we can better support our awesome projects!

=== WOPR ===

One and only, coming soon since 2006.

=== Whiskyleaks ===

Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

=== [[mail2jail]] ===

Write letters to fellow hackers currently declaring jail as their primary place of residence.

=== [[Challenge coins]] ===

Milliways creates [[challenge coins]] associated with every event we make an appearance at.

=== [[Dome|Domes]] ===

Done first for the american toorcamp 2009. Today there's several americans domes and a bigger european one in our storage. There's likely a british dome incoming.

== Infrastructure ==

=== Camp Construction Components ===

==== [[Tents]] ====
We have large [[Tents|tents]].

==== [[Dome|Domes]] ====

We have two [[Dome|domes]].

=== Storage ===

[[Storage]] - Milliways has a storage. Its a mess

[[Weeze_Storage]]

=== milliways cloud ===

[[Lenticular Cloud]] - Milliways Cloud System

[[Communications]] - you can contact Milliways using those methods

=== wishlists for Infrastructure ===

Milliways has some infrastructure. To keep this infrastructure up and running we need spare parts and every other year a replacement server. We have therefore created 3 wishlists on amazon.

==== spare parts for the server in vienna ====
managed by [[User:Tuxcoder]]

at this moment no needs, the wishlist is empty

==== spare parts for the backup server in rotterdam ====
managed by [[User:Mc.fly]]

2 new hard drives 3,5" 8TB SATA

==== parts for the server in Hamburg ====
managed by no_maam

[https://www.amazon.de/hz/wishlist/ls/34DM1N1U46RF2 Wishlist for the Hamburg server]

== Swag ==

We do [[challenge coins|coins]] and stickers. If you want to make some - look in the milliways Seafile for SVG files.

[[camp2019-t-shirt]]

Camping plates with Milliways logo (and Camp motto/year)
Idea: McFly, nina

allbranded.at has a relatively cheap offer and could deliver within 3 weeks!

We could use them for the kitchen and/or "sell" them for a little sponsoring money.

link: https://www.allbranded.at/Bar-Gastronomie/Geschirr/Teller-Barbecue.html

=== flag order ===

We will order flags you can pick up at why2025 or CCC Congress 2025. Please indicate in this [[2025-flag-list]] if you want one.

=== Logo ===

Want to know more about our [[logo|logo]]?

== Travel tips ==

* [[travel2rotterdam]]
* [[travel2karlsruhe]]
* [[travel2leipzig]]
* [[travel2camp]]

WHY 2025

2025-07-20T13:33:10Z

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{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?params=52_41_28_N_4_44_47_E Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
* The next Milliways orga meeting is on '''2025-07-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET''' - [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
* Tickets for WHY2025 are sold out. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in the Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.
* Add the Milliways event timeline to your calendar
** ICS is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, gauging space needed at the site and feasability of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
You could find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here] but they seem sold out now. See [https://wiki.why2025.org/TicketSwap] and ask people in Milliways channels if they have extra tickets.

=== What to bring? ===

Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist]. There is also the [https://wiki.why2025.org/What_to_bring official packing wiki page].

Tips:
* Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
* Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

=== When do I arrive? ===

Reference https://wiki.why2025.org/Timeline.

=== How do I find milliways? ===

Reference the official map https://map.why2025.org/.

=== Where do I find some other info? ===

Reference the official wiki https://wiki.why2025.org/.

==Plans==

Public Milliways Event Timeline is [https://calendar.milliways.info/public/WHY2025/ here]
Add it to your own calendar app!

===Day 1 - Friday===
====TBD====
Your event here?

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 2 - Saturday===
====PHRACK #72 RELEASE PARTY====
[https://haunted.computer/@phrack/114870139947457649 Free beer & PHRACK memorial b33r cup 🍻]

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 3 - Sunday===
====Whiskyleaks====
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time! We will start in the evening, the more exact time will appear here eventually.

====Midnight Fries====

===Day 4 - Monday===
====TBA====
Check back soon!

====Midnight Snack====

===Day 5 - Tuesday===
====TBA====
Check back soon!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coins]], Flags, Patches===

We have WHY themed [[Challenge_coins|challenge coins]] which are a nice souvenir available for a donation which helps us run Milliways, give you free beer etc. Ask the Milliways Infodesk or find someone who seems less confused than everyone else to get one.

We also have [[2025-flag-list|Milliways flags]] and Milliways patches available.

== Beer ==

[[why2026-beer]]

The plan is to organize beer again. Whoever is interested in sponsoring a keg please add you to the list.

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+kSxbKmdcAq0-hcEE1JA-s0-/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HKy8wBu9l+xuxA3qcqk0rzRU/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 ||
[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Jp3Irj6do2XbOtu13S2JriHf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/dkKFaRa8x+osIxucldEAdi+Y/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/BuYPDIIJ72PNIe5cI5mx36o5/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/RakXYXj7wedz8Du1r00ZGybV/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** Feel free to add yourself to [[#Sets]] or post in https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Noise (music, DJs) || <yourname> || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Beer Orga || [[User:cy | cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== Kitchen ===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== Bar ===

=== Infodesk ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Though most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== Team Beer ===

The team is [[User:cy|cy]], [[User:ljrk|lj-rk]] and [[User:mc.fly | mc.fly]]

We want to make the Beer tap great again.

For that we plan to orgainze german (and maybe dutch) Beers at the camp.

Further beers are welcome.
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 2-4day notice for orders
** Cannot deliver to WHY, pickup only.
* Bier&co [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/b/b6/Prijslijst_Bier%26cO_01-01-2025_-_HAP_Kern.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
** Prefers 7-10day notice for orders
** Can deliver to WHY

We'll have all the tap heads that exist to make sure we can tap everything properly.

If you want to bring a beer keg please talk to us.

=== Power ===

=== Water ===

We don't know what the water connection situation is.

=== Art & Beauty ===

[[File:Jungledome.png | 800px | link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclaXQWVRCg]]

Discussion takes place here https://matrix.to/#/#art-beauty:milliways.info.

Here is the idea for the dome/music:
* we take the [[Dome]]
* we put the lights, music and fog machines in it
* maybe some seating on the sides
* we add camo nets and fake plants hanging from the dome
* we end up with a jungle music dome
* we need jungle dome [I'm afraid]

What we have:
* mcfly has a [https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/32787921000.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol shehds dmx controler]
* Lorphos can bring a <abbr title="Reloop Terminal Mix 8 with balanced 6.3mm TR jacks and RCA for master out and RCA booth out, needs laptop to operate">DJ controller</abbr>, a dj headset and a disco ball light with DMX512.
* cqc thought about maybe making a disco ball that looks like the WHY logo
* mcfly has an [https://www.highlite.com/en/50807-net-2-3-pocket.html artnet dmx controller]

==== Questions for the meeting / things we need / outstanding problems ====
* we need eurocrates to store nets plants for future events, have we ordered those?
** Meeting 2025-07-06: not ordering yet, we will see what the financial situation is after why
* how to attach things to the dome: Zipties/spannfix?
* what is up with the fog machines? do we have that? do we have the liquid?
** Infinity/mcfly are bringing machines
** order liquid
* there are some notes about the tarp being torn up at EMF, what is this about?
** that's the uk tarp, no worries
* "We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village. " is this still relevant?
** maybe do something on day 1?

====Music setup checklist====
* ☑ Sound System: Fame Audio Discovery 15+18 Stage 4 - Set
* ☑ Main mixer: X32 digital mixer with 16 XLR preamp (very kindly provided by Infinity553)
* Long XLR balanced cables to connect mixer to sound system (need to check if they’re included with the sound system)
* DJ-style headphones
* ☑ Cable protection (ramps or tape): cables can simply be attached to the dome so they won't be on the ground
* Large table for gear and mixer (ideally supports two setups, for smooth switches)
* ☑ Sun cover for daytime sets, if any are planned: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ☑ Emergency rain cover, quick to deploy: big white tarp for the dome ([[Weeze Storage]])
* Power strip and enough power supplies, with extra outlets on table (separate from sound system)
* Audio backup (e.g. USB with preloaded set — chrome'll handle it)
* Separate surface for DMX/lights/FX gear
* ☑ Power supply for lights and effects: a lot of power cables and power strips will come from storage
* For the music console location: If the mixer<>system XLR cables are long enough (about 15m?), we could place the console in front of the speakers, behind the crowd. This would remove the need for monitors and improve mixing quality. We can decide on site.

====Lighting and special effects setup checklist====
* ✅ DMX lights: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ DMX cables: unknown amount ([[Weeze Storage]])
* ✅ Fog machines: being provided by Infinity and mcfly
* Fog machine juice
* DMX controller?
* artnet to dmx?

====What Infinity is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Speakers || Fame Discovery || 2 || Active Speaker Set 2x 18"Sub 2x 15"Top || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Mixer || Behringer X32 || 1 || Tour Mixer for FOH || Not Waterproof!
|-
| DJ Deck || Denon Prime 4+ || 1 || Standalone DJ Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Lightdesk || Avo Quartz || 1 || Standalone DMX Console || Not Waterproof!
|-
| Cable || CEE 7/4 to True1 || 2 || Powercable for Speaker Sub/Top Splitter || CEE7/4 side is IP rated Plug
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Mixer > Speaker || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 20m || 2 || Booth > FOH || None
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 3m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when on Pole
|-
| Cable || 3Pin XLR Audio 15m || 2 || Sub > Top || Connect top speakers when mounted else where
|-
| Cable || Ethercon Spool 50m || 1 || DMX Controller > Artnetnode || None
|-
| Special effect || Fog machine || ? || ||
|-
|}

====What mcfly is providing====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Type !! Name !! Amount !! Description !! Notes
|-
| Special effect || Fog machine || ? || ||
|-
|}

====What was ordered to Obsidian's====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Cost (Euro) !! Notes !! Delivered? !! Moved to camp?
|-
| Camo net (4m x 6m) || 10 || 225 || 2 kinds, 5 of each = 10 || 7 out of 10 ||
|-
| Fake red flowers || 10 || 14 || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅ ||
|-
| Fake purple flowers || 10 || 14 || 5 sets of 2 = 10 plant units || ✅ ||
|-
| Fake ivy || 9 || 30 || 9 sets of 10m = 9 sets of 5 strings = 45 strings || ✅ ||
|-
|-
| Fake fern || 10 || 22 || 10 ferns || ✅ ||
|}

====What is being brought from the storage? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Moved to Obsidian's? !! Moved to camp?
|-
| Tarp || 1 || The large white tarp for the dome || ||
|-
| [[Dome]] || 1 || || ||
|-
| Benches || ? || The dome benches || ||
|-
| DMX lights || ? || || ||
|-
| DMX cables || ? || || ||
|}

====What is being built? ====

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Amount !! Notes !! Completed?
|-
| DJ table || 1 || Boreq talked to Mcfly on 2025-07-06 and we are building the table instead of buying it ||
|-
|}

==== Sets ====

Feel free to add yourself here if you want to play music at some point. Orga states that they like to keep it quiet from 00:00 till 07:00 and around those times loud noise/music is not allowed. Reference https://wiki.why2025.org/Timeline for day numbers. There are things happening on some evenings e.g. Whiskyleaks which may influence your choice.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Who !! Start
|-
| chrome || needs scheduling (Saturday Day 2 - night?)
|-
| coderobe || needs scheduling
|-
| Lorphos || needs scheduling
|-
| nspace + cyanpencil for the phrack party || phrack party, 20:00 - 22:00?
|}

=== Constructions ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Bar
* Kitchen
** Weather dependant; Flooring

It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

==== Lumber sourcing and storage ====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== Heaven ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== Logistics / Buildup / Teardown ===

* Sat 02.08 - We are taking things from storage and staging them closer to camp
* Sun 03.08 - DAY -4
* Mon 04.08 - DAY -3
* Tue 05.08 - DAY -2 - if something isn't at Obsidian's at this point it won't get to camp - Buildup 1?
* Wed 06.08 - DAY -1 - Buildup 2?
* Thu 07.08 - DAY 0 - Buildup 3?
* Fri 08.08 - DAY 1
* Sat 09.08 - DAY 2
* Sun 10.08 - DAY 3
* Mon 11.08 - DAY 4
* Tue 12.08 - DAY 5
* Wed 13.08 - Teardown 1
* Thu 14.08 - Teardown 2

== Vendors ==

* Groothandel (wholesale market) - sligro in Alkmaar
https://www.sligro.nl/vestigingen/alkmaar.html
* Brouwerij Hoop [https://wiki.milliways.info/images/f/fc/Prijslijst_2025_12_Korting.pdf 2025 Pricelist]
* Bier&co 2025 Pricelist
* Aanhangwagenbedrijf [http://www.vandeburgwal.nl/ van de Burgwal]
** Cooling Trailer
** €435
** Need to ask about second trailer
* [https://meijnetenten.nl/ Meijne Tenten]
** 5x15 army tent
** €256
** No Delivery/Drop-off - pickup only

Bier:
* Trinkgut https://www.trinkgut.de/markt/konopatzki
* Getraenke Janssen GmbH - +4928289039991

== Subvillages ==

* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:SSH_(Spanish_Speaking_Hackers) SSH]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Cluster:GR.A.P.P.A. GR.A.P.P.A.]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Cyber_Saiyan Cyber Saiyan]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:End_Summer_Camp End Summer Camp]
** [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Metro_Olografix Metro Olografix]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:What_Hackers_J%C3%B6rn What Hackers Jörn]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:EMF EMF]
* [https://wiki.why2025.org/Village:Freeside Freeside]
* Church of Cryptography
* Hardware Hacking Area
* RIPE NCC
* SSH

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===

We will be using it for the organized events and music.

===Rummary Tent===

===5x15 Army tent hangout spot===

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

User:Hanemile

2025-07-20T13:31:48Z

Hanemile:

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* Emile
* Düsseldorf - chaosdorf
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Why25-participants

2025-07-20T13:24:30Z

Hanemile: /* manual list */ added alles ctf team, not many people this year, just directly integrating into milliways instead of creating an own village

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

# shepard
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# Harry (via shepard)
# openfly
# coderobe
# h1k4r1 + 3 family
# ssh (+10 people)
# cookingroffa
# nina
# malaclypse
# [https://ctftime.org/team/42934 organisers CTF] (~10 people)
# [https://ctftime.org/team/18419 ALLES! CTF] (~2 people)
# Alexey Pertsev
# katia
# ZeroFuse
# GR.A.P.P.A. cluster +15 (ESC + Metro Olografix)
# Kite
# erdy + 4
# shadghost
# wordloc + thequux + 2 guests

Why25-participants

2025-07-20T13:23:09Z

Hanemile: /* manual list */

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

# shepard
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# Harry (via shepard)
# openfly
# coderobe
# h1k4r1 + 3 family
# ssh (+10 people)
# cookingroffa
# nina
# malaclypse
# [https://ctftime.org/team/42934 organisers ctf] (~10 people)
# Alexey Pertsev
# katia
# ZeroFuse
# GR.A.P.P.A. cluster +15 (ESC + Metro Olografix)
# Kite
# erdy + 4
# shadghost
# wordloc + thequux + 2 guests

WHY 2025

2025-06-30T09:53:30Z

Hanemile: /* Sets */

WHY 2025

2025-06-30T09:52:40Z

Hanemile: /* Sets */ added the nspace cyanpencil set

WHY 2025

2025-06-30T09:51:50Z

Hanemile: /* Infodesk */

2025-flag-list

2025-06-16T15:22:43Z

Hanemile: Added myself

We will order Milliways flags for why2025. You can pre-order here and pick these up at why or congress.
Please indicate how many flags you want. Details will follow asap.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! name !! number of flags !! will pick up at event
|-
| zornem || 2 || why 2025 and congress 2025
|-
| boreq || 1 || why 2025
|-
| mc.fly || 2 || why 2025
|-
| katia || 1 || why 2025
|-
| agb || 1 || why 2025
|-
| sleepyentropy || 2 || why 2025
|-
| pandora || 1 || congress
|-
| tido || 1 || congress
|-
| hanemile || 2 || why2025
|}

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:19:44Z

Hanemile: removed most fields, let's see if only setting the nickname works

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:17:51Z

Hanemile: removed the photo element

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:17:24Z

Hanemile: trying something....

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:16:21Z

Hanemile: add the person template

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:15:25Z

Hanemile:

Form:Person

2025-06-02T17:14:21Z

Hanemile: delete all and starting from scratch, let's see if an empty page still triggers the error

Why25-participants

2025-06-02T06:53:01Z

Hanemile: /* manual list */ added organisers (10 people)

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

The [x] prefix means that you've also inserted your information in this wiki.

# shepard
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# Harry (via shepard)
# openfly
# sannoso
# merlos (italian) (+25 people in the grappa cluster)
# coderobe
# h1k4r1 + family
# ssh (+10 people)
# cookingroffa
# nina
# malaclypse
# ArisValeborn
# [https://ctftime.org/team/42934 organisers ctf] (~10 people)

Why25-participants

2025-06-01T19:31:52Z

Hanemile: /* manual list */ added helpmerob manually

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

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Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

The [x] prefix means that you've also inserted your information in this wiki.

# [ ] shepard
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] Harry (via shepard)
# [x] helpmerob
# [x] carton
# [ ] openfly
# [ ] sannoso
# [ ] merlos (italian) (+25 people in the grappa cluster)
# [ ] coderobe
# [ ] h1k4r1 + family
# [ ] ssh (+10 people)

User:Helpmerob

2025-06-01T19:31:31Z

Hanemile: Please adjust accordingly using "Edit"

{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025
|why2025_departure=2025
}}

Why25-participants

2025-06-01T19:27:11Z

Hanemile: /* manual list */

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

The [x] prefix means that you've also inserted your information in this wiki.

# [ ] shepard
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] shepard +1
# [ ] Harry (via shepard)
# [ ] helpmerob
# [x] carton
# [ ] openfly
# [ ] sannoso
# [ ] merlos (italian) (+25 people in the grappa cluster)
# [ ] coderobe
# [ ] h1k4r1 + family
# [ ] ssh (+10 people)

User:Carton

2025-06-01T19:25:39Z

Hanemile: Manually added, please adjust accordingly

{{Person
|nickname=carton
|email=carton-milliwayswiki@Ivy.NET
|matrix_nick=@hohgkevaikooquo
|matrix_server=matrix.org
}}
{{camp23
|camp23_participating=Yes
}}
{{emfcamp2024
|emfcamp2024_participating=Yes
|emfcamp2024_arrival=2023-05-29T13:00:00.000Z
|emfcamp2024_departure=2023-06-03T12:00:00.000Z
|emfcamp2024_plus_x=0
|emfcamp2024_dect=2278
}}
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025
|why2025_departure=2025
}}

Why25-participants

2025-06-01T19:24:03Z

Hanemile: cleaned up the broken stuff, still no idea why the form:Person isn't working

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit"!

<pre>
{{WHY2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2025-08-05T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2025-08-15T23:59:59.999Z
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

This page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-06T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-06T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-07T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-08T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-09T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-09T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-14T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-14T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-15T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

== manual list ==

This is when the entry via the users pages fail at least add yourself here:

# shepard
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# shepard +1
# Harry (via shepard)
# helpmerob
# carton
# openfly
# sannoso
# merlos (italian) (+25 people in the grappa cluster)
# coderobe
# h1k4r1 + family
# ssh (+10 people)

Form:Person

2025-05-19T15:10:49Z

Hanemile: removing the why template to check if that fixes the error

WHY 2025

2025-05-02T19:23:38Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */ added pad link

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*The previous WHY Orga Meeting was a fieldday 2025-04-05 the PL opening presentation is [https://wiki.why2025.org/File:Fieldday5aprilopningpresentation.pdf here]
*The next WHY Orga jitsi is 2025-04-09 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST [https://meet.why2025.org/orga jitsi link].
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2025-04-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 ||[https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/7kwGFd164XVLsCTD2d-crFYf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

<s>
=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

</s>

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-05-02T19:21:05Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*The previous WHY Orga Meeting was a fieldday 2025-04-05 the PL opening presentation is [https://wiki.why2025.org/File:Fieldday5aprilopningpresentation.pdf here]
*The next WHY Orga jitsi is 2025-04-09 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST [https://meet.why2025.org/orga jitsi link].
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2025-04-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/7kwGFd164XVLsCTD2d-crFYf/ Meeting Minutes] |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

<s>
=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

</s>

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-05-02T19:20:08Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */ moved to 11th

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*The previous WHY Orga Meeting was a fieldday 2025-04-05 the PL opening presentation is [https://wiki.why2025.org/File:Fieldday5aprilopningpresentation.pdf here]
*The next WHY Orga jitsi is 2025-04-09 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST [https://meet.why2025.org/orga jitsi link].
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2025-04-20 at 19:00 UTC / 21:00 CET [http://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi link].
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/hOoprw3ndoIUm-Dn7KpLcibp/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/WvV4lMwmSgh7HZE7YzitKJFP/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-11 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

<s>
=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

</s>

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-02-26T19:11:24Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */ 2025-03-02 -> 2025-03-09

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-09 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-02-02T19:56:51Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */ formatting

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-02-02T19:06:48Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || none - all still wasted from 38c3 |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/HCsjnP4BkMbAupMV42XVX0ON/ Meeting Minutes] |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-02-02T16:10:40Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC / whatever that is in your timezone

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-02-02T15:41:25Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

1900 UTC \ 2000 BST \ 2100 CEST

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

WHY 2025

2025-01-14T15:39:19Z

Hanemile: added category

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

[[Category:why2025]]

Template:WHY2025

2025-01-14T15:38:44Z

Hanemile: added default values

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|-
|colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"| '''WHY2025 infos'''
|-
! [[Property:why2025_participating | Participating]]
| [[why2025_participating::{{{why2025_participating|No}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_arrival | Arrival]]
| [[why2025_arrival::{{{why2025_arrival|2025}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_departure | Departure]]
| [[why2025_departure::{{{why2025_departure|2025}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_plus_x | Plus X]]
| [[why2025_plus_x::{{{why2025_plus_x|0}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_dect | DECT]]
| [[why2025_dect::{{{why2025_dect|0000}}}]]
|}

[[Category:why2025]]

Template:WHY2025

2025-01-14T15:37:52Z

Hanemile: test

{| style="border: 1px solid; width:25em; float: right; font-size: 90%;"
|-
|colspan="2" style="text-align: center;"| '''WHY2025 infos'''
|-
! [[Property:why2025_participating | Participating]]
| [[why2025_participating::{{{why2025_participating}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_arrival | Arrival]]
| [[why2025_arrival::{{{why2025_arrival|2025}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_departure | Departure]]
| [[why2025_departure::{{{why2025_departure}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_plus_x | Plus X]]
| [[why2025_plus_x::{{{why2025_plus_x}}}]]
|-
! [[Property:why2025_dect | DECT]]
| [[why2025_dect::{{{why2025_dect}}}]]
|}

[[Category:why2025]]

Why25-participants

2025-01-03T10:52:23Z

Hanemile: spelling

If you have a ticket, add yourself here.
please make sure to sign up for volunteering, too.

The lists and tables at the bottom of this page are autogenerated using the [[WHY_2025 | why2025]] template, add the following to your user page to be included below (click on your name on the top right and select "Edit with form"!

<pre>
{{why2025
|why2025_participating=Yes
|why2025_arrival=2023-08-15T02:00:00.000Z
|why2025_departure=2023-08-23T18:31:28.000Z
|why2025_plus_x=0
|why2024_dect
}}
</pre>

(why2025_plus_x is the amount of people you are bringing that are not on this wiki (family, other people, ...))

OR

(replace "Hanemile" with your name below and edit the form)

<pre>
https://wiki.milliways.info/index.php?title=User:Hanemile&action=formedit
</pre>

The page won't be automatically updated (semantic mediawiki quirk), you can flush the cache by clicking on "Refresh" in the Tools bar on the right.

== 2025-08-05 (Tu) Day -3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-05T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-05T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-06 (We) Day -2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-07 (Th) Day -1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-07T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

<h2 style="color: red">2025-08-08 (Fr) Day 0</h2>
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-08T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-09 (Sa) Day 1 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-10 (Su) Day 2 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-10T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-10T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-11 (Mo) Day 3 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-11T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-11T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-12 (Tu) Day 4 ==
Count: {{#ask:
[[user:+]]
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|format=count
}}:
{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-12T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-12T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-13 (We) Day +5 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-13T23:59]]
[[why2025_departure::>2025-08-13T00:01]]
|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-14 (Th) Day +6 ==
Count: {{#ask:
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|format=count
}}:
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== 2025-08-15 (Fr) Day +7 ==
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|format=count
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[[why2025_arrival::<2025-08-15T23:59]]
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|format=list
|limit=500
}}

== List of people with the why2025 template on their page ==

The weird "23 JL" means that the person has not or wrongly inserted the date/time on their page (they might not know when they arrive or so).

{{#ask:
[[user:+]]
[[category:why2025]]
|in:person
|?nickname
|?why2025_arrival
|?why2025_departure
|?why2025_dect
|?why2025_plus_x
|format=table
|headers=plain
}}

Category:Why2025

2025-01-02T15:20:41Z

Hanemile: Created page with "WHY_2025"

[[WHY_2025]]

Form:Person

2025-01-02T15:19:38Z

Hanemile:

<noinclude>
This is the "Person" form.
To create a page with this form, enter the page name below;
if a page with that name already exists, you will be sent to a form to edit that page.

{{#forminput:form=Person}}

</noinclude><includeonly>
All values except the nickname are optional.
<div id="wikiPreview" style="display: none; padding-bottom: 25px; margin-bottom: 25px; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"></div>
{{{for template|Person|label=Person}}}
{| class="formtable" width="100%"
! Nickname:
| {{{field|nickname}}}
|
|-  |-
! E-Mail:
| {{{field|email}}}
|
|-
! Matrix:
| {{{field|matrix_nick}}}
| ''Only nickname, without @''
|-
! Matrix Homeserver:
| {{{field|matrix_server}}}
|
|-
! Mastodon:
| {{{field|mastodon_nick}}}
| ''Only nickname, without @''
|-
! Mastodon Server:
| {{{field|mastodon_server}}}
|
|}
{{{end template}}}

<div id="wikiPreview" style="display: none; padding-bottom: 25px; margin-bottom: 25px; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"></div>
{{{for template|why2025|label=why2025}}}
{| class="formtable" width="100%"
! At camp:
| {{{field|why2025_participating|input type=checkbox|placeholder=true}}}
|-
! Arrival:
| {{{field|why2025_arrival|input type=datetimepicker|placeholder=arrival}}}
|-
! Departure:
| {{{field|why2025_departure|input type=datetimepicker|placeholder=departure}}}
|-
! Plus X (0 if you come alone, 1, 2, 3, ... if you bring people that aren't in this wiki):
| {{{field|why2025_plus_x|input type=number|placeholder=0}}}
|-
! Registered a DECT Number? Add it here so we know how to contact you!
| {{{field|why2025_dect|input type=number|placeholder=0}}}
|}
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Form:Person

2025-01-02T15:19:05Z

Hanemile: changed the event form from 38c3 to why2025

<noinclude>
This is the "Person" form.
To create a page with this form, enter the page name below;
if a page with that name already exists, you will be sent to a form to edit that page.

{{#forminput:form=Person}}

</noinclude><includeonly>
All values except the nickname are optional.
<div id="wikiPreview" style="display: none; padding-bottom: 25px; margin-bottom: 25px; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"></div>
{{{for template|Person|label=Person}}}
{| class="formtable" width="100%"
! Nickname:
| {{{field|nickname}}}
|
|-  |-
! E-Mail:
| {{{field|email}}}
|
|-
! Matrix:
| {{{field|matrix_nick}}}
| ''Only nickname, without @''
|-
! Matrix Homeserver:
| {{{field|matrix_server}}}
|
|-
! Mastodon:
| {{{field|mastodon_nick}}}
| ''Only nickname, without @''
|-
! Mastodon Server:
| {{{field|mastodon_server}}}
|
|}
{{{end template}}}

<div id="wikiPreview" style="display: none; padding-bottom: 25px; margin-bottom: 25px; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAAAAA;"></div>
{{{for template|why2025|label=38c3}}}
{| class="formtable" width="100%"
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| {{{field|why2025_participating|input type=checkbox|placeholder=true}}}
|-
! Arrival:
| {{{field|why2025_arrival|input type=datetimepicker|placeholder=arrival}}}
|-
! Departure:
| {{{field|why2025_departure|input type=datetimepicker|placeholder=departure}}}
|-
! Plus X (0 if you come alone, 1, 2, 3, ... if you bring people that aren't in this wiki):
| {{{field|why2025_plus_x|input type=number|placeholder=0}}}
|-
! Registered a DECT Number? Add it here so we know how to contact you!
| {{{field|why2025_dect|input type=number|placeholder=0}}}
|}
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WHY 2025

2025-01-02T14:41:04Z

Hanemile: /* infodesk */ Structured the information on a more consumable way

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with...

* info on Milliways content (talks/workshops/whats happening when?)
* lost&found (we've got a box with stuff™)
* directions (people tend to get lost)
* weather (water && sunscreen distribution)
* mealtimes and meal info
* volunteer signup (in coordination with the archangels)
* coins!
* stickers
* music
* and more (something always pops up)!

From an online perspective, it would be nice to have "The Internet" accessible from within the infodesk. Tough most information on site is consumed via black or whiteboards.

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

WHY 2025

2025-01-02T14:35:41Z

Hanemile: /* Meetings */ added all the meetings dates and their locations until camp

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || [[38c3]] || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2025-01-05 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || January Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-02-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || February Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-03-02 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || March Meeting || |
|-
| 2025-04-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-04-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || April Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 1/2 || |
|-
| 2025-05-18 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || May Meeting 2/2 || |
|-
| 2025-06-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 1/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-15 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 2/3 || |
|-
| 2025-06-29 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || June Meeting 3/3 || |
|-
| 2025-07-06 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 1/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 2/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-20 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 3/4 || |
|-
| 2025-07-27 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Meeting 4/4 || |
|-
| 2025-08-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting (last remove before camp) || |
|-
| 2025-08-08 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 0 || |
|-
| 2025-08-09 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 1 || |
|-
| 2025-08-10 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 2 || |
|-
| 2025-08-11 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 3 || |
|-
| 2025-08-12 || onsite || orga || WHY Day 4 || |
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with info on Milliways content, lost&found, directions, weather, mealtimes, volunteer signup, coins, stickers, music and more!

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

WHY 2025

2024-12-31T17:16:23Z

Hanemile: /* Event Reiseleitung */ swap name and role, forgot that previously

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || 38c3 || meetup || WHY have a plan? || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/Sf1RsoCXPw3rBDTdMk0AHZui/ Meeting Minutes]
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Role !! Name !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with info on Milliways content, lost&found, directions, weather, mealtimes, volunteer signup, coins, stickers, music and more!

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

WHY 2025

2024-12-28T13:48:10Z

Hanemile: /* Event Reiseleitung */

{{Event
| Title = What Hackers Yearn 2025
| Description = The NL camp
| StartDate = 2025-08-08
| EndDate = 2025-08-12
| Location = [https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.6873&mlon=4.7521#map=16/52.6925/4.7421&layers=P Geestmerambacht]
}}

==About==
[https://why2025.org/ What Hackers Yearn] is the dutch camp organised by [https://ifcat.org/ IFCAT]. 
WHY is the successor to MCH, SHA, OHM, etc.

==Recent News==
*We try to attend all WHY Orga meetings, you can read our notes on these [[why2025-orga-meetings | here]]. 
**The previous WHY Orga Jitsi was 2024-12-04 at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CEST, the meeting minutes are [https://wiki.why2025.org/Orga_Jitsi_December_2024 here]
**The next WHY Orga in person meeting is 2024-12-14 at [https://bitlair.nl/Hoofdpagina Bitlair] in Amersfoort.
*The next Milliways meeting is on 2024-12-28 at 17:00 UTC. This is in person, at 38c3!
*Tickets for WHY2025 are [https://tickets.why2025.org available]

==Communication==
Chat Communication for Milliways at WHY 2025 will be in a bridged room between irc and matrix. Both rooms have the same information.

IRC: join #milliways-why2025 at irc.hackint.org
Matrix: join #why:milliways.info (and of course the milliways space: https://matrix.to/#/#milliways-space:milliways.info)

We will attempt to keep this wiki page up to date with event orga changes and announcements as well as milliways updates and announcements.
The chat will have @room and/or @here notifications when large announcement \ updates are made to the wiki.

Further, there will be recurring jitsi meetings that will rise in frequency as time to the event ticks down.

==Travellers Info==
Add yourself as a participant on our [[why25-participants | Participants]] page. 
This list helps us with meal planning for our kitchen, guaging space needed at the site and feasbility of our wild ideas!

=== Tickets ===
ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

You can find them [https://tickets.why2025.org here].

=== what to bring - packing ===
Struggling with your pack list? Checkout Columbia19's excellent [https://github.com/Columbia19/Camping-Checklist camping list] and MacLemon's amazing [https://github.com/MacLemon/CongressChecklist Congress Checklist].
Ofcourse; Don't let yourself get surprised by the weather, always pack for expected weather circumstances.
Check the weather report regularly from at least a few weeks in advance until right up to your departure and change accordingly.
* Hint: A tarp is useful whether it rains or shines! ;)

Don't have camping gear for yourself? Watch this space - we may have something to offer for you!

==Meetings==
Pads can be created under https://cpad.milliways.info/ Please link here when done.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! When !! Where !! Type !! Description !! Notes
|-
| 2024-06-04 || emfcamp || meetup || a first meeting of interested participants ||
|-
| 2024-06-15 || Geestmerambacht || field day || first WHY2025 field day || [[WHY_2025_fieldday | read our notes]]
|-
| 2024-07-07 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || July Kickoff || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/bmr6Uu1+qwFSpwT9BeoMelbsZ6RlaBk0WSaFjCkmNG0/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-08-04 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || August Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/+husak0eYk62ct5+wtLfKlWf/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-09-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || September Meeting || nothing of relevance, so no meeting minutes
|-
| 2024-10-13 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || October Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/FnLspvub47govb-jN0TkVX3V/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-11-03 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || November Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/gyi54e3nrJ8dMliGPpFtkhIB/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-01 || [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] || orga || December Meeting || [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/edit/SS60FKCoUIJuDCWNe7XypLW1/ Meeting Minutes]
|-
| 2024-12-28 || 38c3 || meetup || WHY have a plan? ||
|}

We meet in [https://jitsi.milliways.info/milliways jitsi] on the first sunday of every month at 21:00 German Standard Time until April 2025. 
There will be bi-weekly (once every two weeks) meetings in April, May and June. 
There will be weekly meetings in July and Aug. 
There will be daily meetings during WHY.

== Teams ==
=== Call for Engagement - We want you! ===

We currently have a CfER (Call for Event-Reiseleitung) open! 
We are looking for:
* one or two more Archangels
** Organize volunteers in/around our village (and possibly stage)
** Link up with WHY orga Volunteer Team
* Bar manager
* Logistics team
** Truck from Weeze to WHY
** Loading \ Unloading
** Perhaps local pickup/dropoff of groceries/materials if scheduled delivery unavailable
* Buildup team (optional: Mgr)
** Be onsite, from latest Day 0 - Thurs 7th Aug (prefer Day -2 Tues 5th), helping with Milliways buildup (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be built, where and how.
** Help unload Storage truck
* Teardown team
** Be onsite, until latest Day 6 - Wed 13th Aug, helping with Milliways teardown (Dome, Kitchen, Rummery, etc)
** Understand what needs to be packed up, where and how.
** Make sure everything packed is at least clean (can't promise dry, that is weather dependent)
** Help load storage truck
* Treasurer
* Social Media Manager (hanemile might claim this as part of the infodesk if nobody else does)
** Keep our Mastadon up to date with events (Talks/Worksshop/Entertainment)
** Retoot interesting orga, sub village, individual stuff, boost mentions etc
* Music!
** We need DJs for evenings!
*** nspace has raised interest (played a nice set with cyanpencil at EMF)

===Event Reiseleitung===
Find yourself in need of someone kinda official to talk to about something Milliways specific for WHY? Look no further than this list!
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Name !! Role !! understudy 1 !! understudy 2
|-
| WHY Orga contact || [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:Zornem | Zornem]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Archangel || [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Infodesk || [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Constructions || [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Deco (Art \ Light \ Interactive) || [[User:boreq | boreq]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Power + Midnight snack || [[User:cqc | cqc]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| milliways cyber circus \ Content Team || [[User:mc.fly | McFly]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || emerson || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || User:No_maam | Erik || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Content Team || [[User:cy | Cy]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team || [[User:kraln | kraln]] || tbd. || tbd.
|-
| Stage Team (Technical) || [[User:firel0x | firel0x]] || tbd. || tbd.
|}

=== [[why2025-content | Content]] ===
We aim at attracting high quality or very entertaining cyber security content presented by speakers who know how to engage with the audience. The circus is not supposed to be the only cyber security stage on the camp since there might be good submissions/speakers that would fit better on a traditional stage.

We would like to be part of the core WHY2025 schedule and CFP and let speakers decide whether they would like to present in the circus or whether they would prefer a traditional stage. Besides that, we would like to actively contact potential speakers and ask them to submit something to the stage. Submissions for the circus should be reviewed by Milliways, while other submissions stay with the MCH2025 core team. Acceptance can be based on the quality of the content and based on the ability of the speaker to engage with the audience and to make proper use of the special stage. Both teams may recommend to shift a submission from one stage/team to the other stage. A shared Pretix instance would be very beneficial for that.

=== [[why2025-kitchen | Kitchen ]]===
*Manager needed
The difference in having our own dedicated dishwashing station (at at least, access to freshwater and waste through rotating [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_bulk_container IBCs] or similar) at CCCamp23 vs using public facilities at EMF was apparant and frustrating to all. We hold up the dishwashing queue for individuals, families and smaller villages which is not a great experience and we can't efficiently or correctly clean our equipment because of lack of space, warm water etc. It would be great if we could have our own dedicated space at WHY 2025.

Instead of relying on volunteer kitchen managers, our idea is to have a professional Chef/Cook/Kitchen Manager paid by Milliways to head up the Kitchen. We then need to look for a Milliways Kitchen Manager accustomed to organizing volunteers and other hackercamp event stuff to liasie between our kitchen, our archangels and event.

=== [[why2025-bar | Bar]] ===

=== [[why2025-stage |Cyber Circus]] ===
Would be great to see [[User:mc.fly|mc.fly]]'s dream finally realized: A very special Milliways content stage, Van Rosmalen's [https://www.vanrosmalen.com/spiegeltent/salon-perdu/ Salon Perdu] tent. 
Now, this idea is contingent on some other decisions that need to be made by WHY-orga but the most important one which should not be underestimated; this would mean we run our own content like at CCCamp23 and share responsibility with the central content team. This is currently in very early discussions and may not even happen.

*There is a [https://cpad.milliways.info/code/#/2/code/view/T5P2AhjyeeyZjM2Ae9Kh9bfWqXtG7h+Vcfj6iE+Hdj4/ draft] explanation of the idea that is shared with the official Orga.
*At [https://wiki.why2025.org/User:Hp197 Hp197's] request, We have introduced three potential event sponsors to the Orga [https://wiki.why2025.org/Team:Sponsors sponsors] team and are in talks with more potential parties.

====Setup====
We could add a round 3-4m wide and 0.2-0.5 meter high podium in the centre of the tent with multiple screens pointing in different directions towards the audience above the speaker. The audience will be placed all around the speaker, just with small gaps for the entrance and a bar.

====Open Questions====
*Do we want to run our own [https://pretalx.com/p/about/ Pretalx] if we have our own stage/workshop/entertainment/whatever? Is it even needed or worth it?
*Could this be built to a default template so it's easily recyclable for other events?
*What benefit does this have above using existing infra at each event?

=== [[why2025-infodesk |infodesk]] ===
Headed by [[User:hanemile | Hanemile]]. 
Like at CCCamp23, have an infodesk with info on Milliways content, lost&found, directions, weather, mealtimes, volunteer signup, coins, stickers, music and more!

Setup: the ccc-camp style "hut" was amazing, having a roof against rain and sun is essential.

=== [[why2025-power |power]] ===

=== [[why2025-water |water]] ===

=== [[why2025-art-light |Deco]] ===

=== [[why2025-constructions |Constructions]] ===
Headed by [[User:Junglerot | Junglerot]]. 
'''Please remember''' This is a hackercamp, we should only plan for this if we have the people, plans and equipment in place to fulfill the request. 
We can not improvise any serious woodworking on-site at little to no notice.
====Intended Constructions====
* Infodesk
* Keg Rack for beer
* Weather dependant; Flooring
** Infodesk
** Kitchen
** Dome
* WOPR
** Dependant on Cyber Circus plans - bar might go in cyber circus, then no need for WOPR
It should go without saying, but to be sure; 
Don't teardown any constructions without approval from construction team.
Don't use excess lumber \ torn down constructions to build bonfires.

====Lumber sourcing and storage====
* Sourcing from [https://www.pontmeyer.nl/ PontMeyer]
* [[User:Obsidian | Obsidian]] has a space "close" to WHY terrain that can be used for storage and buildup of Milliways constructions for WHY.

=== [[why2025-Volunteering |Heaven]] ===
Headed by [[User:zornem | Zornem]]
Supported by [[User:SleepyEntropy | SleepyEntropy]]

Getting the right volunteers in the right places at the right times has proved challenging in the past, which creates absolute chaos. 
Chaos is fine and all every now and again and certainly, it's to be expected at these events, but; in the one area we are known for, the one area we strive to deliver properly, our wonderful kitchen that provides delicious food by hardworking volunteers - is suffering due to this chaos.

How can we make this better?

* With our own heaven using something like the [https://engelsystem.de/ Engelsystem]? other ideas?
* Perhaps we can even link into and use or have volunteer shifts available in WHY's volunteer system for kitchen and - if we do our own stage - the heralding etc?
* Have a big whiteboard / blackboard into which people can add themselves. Pro: is super present and people can directly see what is still needed, best even if it's in the queue for the kitchen, so people can see the current status and spontaneously add themselves.

=== [[why2025-logistics |Logistics]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown |Buildup]] ===

=== [[why2025-buildup-takedown|Takedown]] ===

==Subvillages==

==Plans==
=====Village \ Circus Content=====
Seen in a few workshop tents at EMF, have a printed schedule in large type size taped somewhere visible for visitors and volunteers so they can easy spot and check schedule.
Where applicable, have additional info about content taped next to schedule. Sign up links/QR, workshop provider contact details, more info/reading qr links etc.

[[Image:Spiegeltent-salon-perdu-4.jpg|600px]]

===Whiskyleaks===
Milliways' famous Whiskyleaks event;
Self organizing, repeating, turned into a legend. Many bottles arrive, none leave. Bring a bottle of your favourite whisky (or other spirits) and share it with other passionate drinkers. If you can’t bring a bottle, come along - bring one next time!

Suggestion; Sunday 10th Aug

===WOPR===
Let's re-imagine NORAD's War Operation Plan Response (WOPR) SuperComputer from the beloved [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames WarGames] film as a theme befitting bar in the Milliways village at WHY!

===[[Challenge_coins|Coin]]===

===Deco \ Art===
We need to do a CfP for deco and art for our village.

===Free Beer===

=== Generator Sound System ===

No diesel generators? We'll emulate them using a few boxes generating the unique noise that has accompanied us the last camps.

==Infrastructure==

===[[Dome]]===
As we learned at [[emfcamp_2024 | EMF]], A new tarp can be ruined after several strong gusts of wind. We need ground ankers and 200m of high tensile rope for each dome to prevent this from happening again + improved plans on setting up the dome and adding a tarp so it's clear for newbies.

===[[Weeze_Storage]]===

==History==

Milliways has attended several hackercamps in NL;

*2022 [[MCH_2022|May Contain Hackers]]
*2017 [[SHA_2017|Still Hacking Anyway]]
*2013 [[OHM_2013|Observe. Hack. Make.]]
*2009 [[HAR_2009|Hacking At Random]]
*2005 [[WTH_2005|What The Hack]]

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38c3-travelers

2024-11-06T15:20:20Z

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# ax
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38c3-travelers

2024-11-06T15:13:21Z

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